Travel Log : Back to '75 - Any excuse is...

Published: August 12, 2012 - 21:39
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...a good excuse. Being on a lazy vacation, I picked up the following story with some delay. We touched upon it briefly during the blog debate of the previous posting but I think it's worth to go into a little bit deeper with the necessary pepper and salt. So the media have discovered that the Bundesbank is no sacred virgin and certainly not the pope of all central banks. Why ? Because way back in 1975, they performed their own private quantitative easing experiment, just like the FED, the BoJ, the BoE and the Chinese are doing right now. And then of course the question arises : Isn't it a little bit hypocrite of the Buba right now to make such a fuzz about the ECB wanting to embark on the same kind of policy ?

Well yes and no is my answer, always safe, but attack me on this after I finished my little story. Strictly speaking observers right now have a point. But we first have to go back to 1975 to see what was going on. In 1975, we entered stagflation with a negative supply shock caused by commodities, more precisely oil which was much more important in those days for business cycle reasons than it is right now. It was the first time that policy makers in the post war golden era were confronted with rising prices and rising unemployment, something which was not supposed to happen when using traditional Keynesian models. Interest rates in those days were also on the rise and the Bundesbank - under a Klasen/Schlesinger leadership - embarked upon QE worth 1% of German GDP. There are 2 remarkable features related to this story. First of all, it was explained as a mis-communication, a so-called slip of the tongue. And then of course with the pre-announcement of QE, they simply had to execute the initiative. Now I for one don't buy these kind of stories, this was intentional and from out of a 1975 perspective fully understandable : we don't know how to cope with the current crisis situation so let's try something unconventional. And so they did - probably also under some political pressure from the SPD Schmit government in those days - in order to lower interest rates and kick start credit demand. Unfortunately the wrong remedy for business cycle reasons because the root of the problem was elsewhere (supply side, not demand). As is the case right now by the way : private sector credit demand- today the consumer - has been overstretched and lowering interest rates is just a step into the Keynesian liquidity trap with more negative side effects than beneficial ones in the short term (remuneration of savings to name one).

And you could also read this one between the lines when the official justification was made public :

....“we can only operate open market policy in order to regulate the money market, but not to finance the public deficit”. So in other words, the Bundesbank needed to purchase bonds in order to maintain monetary policy’s transmission channel. The Bundesbank had set a monetary growth target for the year for the first time, which it risked missing (money growth slowed to 5.7% in May 1975, below the target for the year of 8%).

And Mario Draghi apparently is using the same line of thinking. In his 2 August statement, he referred to the same problems of the monetary transmission break-down in order to justify future QE efforts:

"Exceptionally high risk premia are observed in government bond prices in several countries and financial fragmentation hinders the effective working of monetary policy."

So QE is put on the table for reasons of monetary transmission problems, way back in 1975, in the US and Japan over the past couple of years and now in Europe. Is it the right argument ? Probably not, in the best case scenario very partially. Does it matter ? Probably not, because in the perception of our monetary and political leaders other higher interests are at stake, both political and from a global banking sector nature. And history will tell us if they have a point in buying precious time with this move and at the same time putting the Germans "off side".

For those who know me by now and in view of the silly lazy season, any excuse is a good excuse to play some music. The seventies are glam rock, punk, ska/reggae, Led Zeppelin, Ziggy stardust, Velvet Underground, Synthesizers, symphonic bombastic rock (Queen, Genesis etc), Joy Division. But the seventies are also fun, the "wrong music" we apparently like many years after the facts. For me top of the bill are KC & the Sunshine Band (the real Miami Sound Machine), the Tramps, Barry White & the Love Unlimited Orchestra, all the episodes of Soul Train, Chic & Nile Rodgers, blow section bands. But since it's 1975, my choice has been restricted. For some peculiar reason, I consider "Griechischer Wein" from Udo Jurgens not appropriate. So we leave you with the following no1 hits. Van McCoy and "Do the Hustle" ("do it, just do it !"), also because of the trumpet section. And to conclude the jazzy funky "Pick up the Pieces", originally from the Irish Average White Band. But today, I think we should let Candy Dulfer having a go at blowing that funky horn.

Salute

100 Comments

  1. FV 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    "from out of a 1975 perspective fully understandable : we don't know how to cope with the current crisis situation so let's try something unconventional" : seems 2012 all over to me ...
    So let's paint that wall (whether 70's stagflation or 2012's deflation - or isn't it ?) with some QE-paint again and again.
    And will an 80's-like inflation be the aftermath ?

    By the way, Christoph, I think you forgot ABBA's 'Money money money' ...

    1. Christof 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      @fv
      Yep, but more importantly and to stay in the soul train atmosphere, i forgot the O Jays and the song "for the love of money"
    1. Philippe 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      QE might have once been an unconventionnal measure. But Anno Domini 2012, It's not anymore.

      All of this fits nicely in a narrative, isn't it. "Felix Temporum Reparatio" , "ritorno del periodo felice", "May Happy times be restored again". the language differs, it comes from different times in human history, yet the promise is easier to make than to make good.

      The ancients sometime featured a galley on their coinage as a symbol of political leadership. Of course, NEUR coins ( the new euro coins, soon in your pockets, do not forget to collect them ) will not feature any galley, but expect us to be amongst those rowing...

  2. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    Christof,

    You have become a very naughty boy.So clever of you to choose for Suske en Wiske's koeiencommissie.:)
    http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_koeiencommissie
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      Ach,een streepje muziek verzacht de zeden:)

      http://youtu.be/jUjCRAaAaaM
    1. Christof 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      @NuN
      Purely coincidental because i wasn't aware of this strip with steve stempelkaart et alii but it seems funny at first sight. But i respected your choice of music, kept my promise
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 13 Aug, 2012

        You always keep promises and I enjoyed the article that much more then the music.:)Draghi already has the fins on board .So we will have to wait until Germany surrenders:)It seems that the only option for the ECB is to manipulate the bond market to keep negative interest rates alive for a very long time to come.It is the aftermath of WW2 all over:)
      1. Philippe 

        On 13 Aug, 2012

        @NuN, Christof

        Just wondering when we get a strip with Van Rampbui, Garbage, Merkgeld, Professor Doktor Draghenstein & his ever expanding monetary creature. Who will be the good one ? Who will be the evil vilain? Is the creature alive ?
  3. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    What is the connection?Keynes theory of the HAIR OF THE DOG.What is the keynesnetics behind it?Medical science long ago debunked "hair of the dog" as a cure for hangovers.And what is to say about the connection Keynes and 1975

    Nazareth's hair of the dog (1975)

    http://youtu.be/lbyJaXRlSds
  4. Theo 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    Don't ask what, rather ask why now !

    Back in 1975 the West German Central Bank used QE to finance (subsidise?) government run monopolies. The oil shock had caused West German GDP and exports to shrink and this is how the SPD under Helmut Schmidt reacted to it.
    By 1976 everything was back to normal. This thing now has gone into its 6th year.
    Schmidt together with the French President started what is today known as the G8 in 1975

  5. Theo 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    BuBa going to Japan to manage its FX reserves... a samurai sward is the best for cutting cake in 8 pieces with only 3 strokes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c98qdFQF7sw
    1. Christof 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      @Theo
      Indeed and 1975 was the first year since long that german gdp in fact contracted, de jamais vu and a kind of bomb shell. The point i am trying to make is that these kind of newws stories also don't occur by accident right now, there is a reason to bring this story back to life. Prepare yourself and fasten your seatbelt, let's go all the way (slyfox)
      1. Theo 

        On 13 Aug, 2012

        @ Mr. G

        I know that.
        These kind of (non)stories are aimed at people who know little to nothing about economic/financial history
        Once those behind these sort of stories go into trying to convince us that their rotten tomatoes are just as good as fresh tomatoes... I just give up. I have no patience for such arguments

        We have a saying : Ask the lazy guy to do something and he'll come up with 1001 reasons/excuses why it is not a good idea to do it
        1. Nacht Und Nebel 

          On 14 Aug, 2012

          Theo,

          What the Rim-beaux of the echo are trying to tell us is that rotten tomatoes are so much better then fresh tomatoes simply because a rotten tomatoes carries the seeds for a brand new tomato plantation.And because one rotten tomato represents a future tomato plantation we will be also be taxed or fined for being in the in possession of a rotten tomato.
          Call it the leverage of a rotten tomato.Of course we will need a new brand army of seed counters to tax or fine us fairlly and a ministry and 4 ministers of the rotten tomato. I hear that E Schoeper wants to be the CEO of the brand new Belgian Institute for future tomato plantations.
          And do not think that by buying fresh tomatoes you will not have to pay the future tomato plantation tax because every fresh tomato will be a rotten tomato soon.
          1. Nacht Und Nebel 

            On 14 Aug, 2012

            http://youtu.be/Igzet9z0hNE

            Banana Republic
            Septic Isle
            Screaming in the Suffering sea
            It sounds like crying (crying, crying)
            Everywhere I go, oh yeah
            Everywhere I see
            The black and blue uniforms
            Police and priests

            And I wonder do you wonder
            While you're sleeping with your whore
            That sharing beds with history
            Is like a-licking running sores
            Forty shades of green yeah
            Sixty shades of red
            Heroes going cheap these days
            Price; a bullet in the head

            Banana Republic
            Septic Isle
            Suffer in the Screaming sea
            It sounds like dying (dying, dying)
            Everywhere I go, oh yeah
            Everywhere I see
            The black and blue uniforms
            Police and priests
          1. Theo 

            On 14 Aug, 2012

            @ NuN

            You are right... With the amount of manure these guys produce we don't even need nuclear power plants to make energy in Belgium
              1. Theo 

                On 14 Aug, 2012

                @ NuN

                too funny
                The Belgian derivatives kitchen can run on natural gas indeed
  6. Philippe 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    In the meanwhile : "Bankers should take example from Olympic competitors"

    http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/ondernemingen_financien/Bankiers_moeten_voorbeeld_nemen_aan_Olympiers.9219042-3095.art?itm_campaign=newsteaser

    Well... They have done that for quite a time. Spending more and more lavishly, doing always bigger, higher, stronger bets and in the end calling "gold" or "bronze" something that only contains very little gold and no bronze at all !
    1. Christof 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      @Philippe
      Sorry mr gold bug but Geert some days ago twittered that even gold medals don't contain too much gold, a mere 2 percent. I guess you have to wait a while before some eighties scenario takes place :)
      1. Philippe 

        On 14 Aug, 2012

        @Christof

        Who said I was a gold bug ? a gold bug is bullish on the value of this metal. Hence he tends to forget about being in a relativistic world. I'm just very orthodox when it comes to the nature and role of money. In other words, I would prefer to use coloured feathers than euros or dollarsas at least there is some natural limit on the supply side. Unfortunately, the spaniards permanently disturbed the use of parrot feathers as currency somewhere around 1520 A.D.
        1. Christof 

          On 14 Aug, 2012

          @Philippe
          Sorry, no offense and not meant in that way. But you are right, a return to some form of metal standard might avoid fiat credit booms. But right now our great leaders have something different on their minds. And yes, may be when the train leaves the station again let's say in 2 or 3 years from now, we might have an inflation problem, though bernanke would hardly see this as a problem. And then comes plan b or the exit. Wich in essence means there is no plan b nor an exit for what is currently being put into place
          1. Philippe 

            On 14 Aug, 2012

            @Christof,

            No offense felt anyway. I'm in a #dark# joking mood today. hence provocative

            Why do you want to avoid fiat credit booms ? They probably are the most desirable feature of the current system. What you want to avoid is the undesirable aftermath of these booms. The true problems is how badly all those savings are used, or rather un-used. destroy the savings, destroy the debt, reset the system and let the boom-bust engine gain some new momentum again !

            These boots are made for walking...
            1. Christof 

              On 14 Aug, 2012

              @Philippe
              It's not that i want to avoid them, healthy credit is the grease of the econmic engine. But super bubbles and their aftermath are no joke either. And indeed we don't need legions of unemployed and lost generations to make the system more healthy, waste of time anf human capital above all
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      Philippe,

      Do as I say but do not do as I -King has reason to speak.Doesn't he.?

      The deal was settled shortly after Mr King negotiated a second five-year term at the Bank following a fraught reappointment process in the wake of the Northern Rock crisis. In his final 16 months as a member of the generous final-salary scheme, the Governor's pension pot grew by a third from £3.95m to £5.36m. By comparison, in the prior 12 months, it rose by £378,700.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/8294253/Bank-of-England-boosts-Mervyn-Kings-pension-by-1.4m.html

      Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England, and his deputies received a 2.5% pay rise in 2010, the Bank's Annual Report, published on Monday, shows.
      The report said that under the new remuneration package agreed by the Bank's Remuneration Committee, King received a starting salary of between £375,000 ($593,459) to £400,000 in 2010, with automatic increases of 2.5% per annum, and a pension contribution of 30% of salary.
      http://www.centralbanking.com/central-banking/news/2093186/king-receives-pay-rise
  7. gofish 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    Christof shut up for a week and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiuHdUkuRi0
    1. Christof 

      On 13 Aug, 2012

      @gofish
      Another classic in the category " light textiles" is la bionda and "1 for you, 1 for me"
  8. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 13 Aug, 2012

    Christof,

    I think you hit the nail on the head.This article has a purpose.Not only the content but also the timing.It takes alot of research to dig up a 40 year old non event.
    And who are they trying to convince?Not the german public that is for sure
    So the Sratus Quo has a message for us and what is it about.
    I am sure It will be to do the right thing.To help the poor bastards from the South,I guess.So a much bigger ESM fund and the Status Quo wants that they and they alone will decide and not a referendum.Little Hilters dreaming of becoming big Hitlers.

    Gofish;I that you?My long lost friend Osama Bin Laden:)
    1. Christof 

      On 14 Aug, 2012

      @NuN
      Of course my friend, this 1975 dug up story has a purpose. And mind you, it's not so bas that from time to time the almighty Fritz is caught with his pants down. As I also stated in my previous highway story, they are supporting their own business cycle right now by public works, even blind freddy cueing on the autobahn can see that
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 14 Aug, 2012

        Christof,

        The problem is that whenever the almighty Fritz is caught with his pants down on his knees the belgian economy is always the spectator looking up from down below .It looks like we will have something on our face and it isn't chocolate:)
        http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/politiek_economie_belgie/Belgie_dondert_naar_staart_van_europeloton.9219402-3136.art
        Before the elections we will have a new round of besparingsbelastingen and after the elections we will have to pay for the loss of Dexia revenue I guess,gemeentebelastingen on the up..
        What can they tax.Het spaarboekje because we have lost the appetite for zero frisco bonds.And why not put an extra tax on everything that hasn't wheels and can't be moved abroad.Het kadastraal inkomen.
        There will be no inflation because food and energy will be removed from the frigo box inflation numbers.
        1. Nacht Und Nebel 

          On 14 Aug, 2012

          This isn't the reason why the stockmarket is on the up today
          http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/geld_beleggen_markten/Beleggers_houden_moed_ondanks_krimp_eurozone.9219356-2969.art
          The real reason is that draghi is winning and the printing presses are almost starting. to roll out "free" moneyThe bad german numbers are the good news !
          My Heinz Baked Beans Index will do well I guess :) Too many belgian ministers not enough manure :)
          1. Christof 

            On 14 Aug, 2012

            @NuN
            About the cpi index, in a couple of years there will be no more goods representative for the consumer in it, with the exception of some lousy electronics made in wherever. And the stock market is indeed taking an advance payment on draghi, written in the stars
            1. Philippe 

              On 14 Aug, 2012

              @Christof

              imho, the cpi and the like will soon be replaced by much better measurement such as the "welfare" index. It is indeed quite unfair to think that price have gone up by 10% if a given quantity of food as gone up by 10%. Reducing our food consumption would probably be healthy so, this raise in price should be balanced by the raise in quality of life.
        1. Philippe 

          On 14 Aug, 2012

          @NuN. For the "Kadaster", I think that recent articles in the press about the taxable value of houses being the same for the last 30 years were not innocent pieces of bad journalism. Nor were the recommendations of the OECD a couple of month ago ( about the fact that the "onroerend voorheffing" was not appropriately taxing the advantages attributable to the principal housing of tenants ).
          1. Nacht Und Nebel 

            On 14 Aug, 2012

            Philippe,

            Yes,you talked about these OECD recommendations a few months ago and it looks like that you are right about this.So,Steven Van Ackere is looking into the matter.But first the elections.:)
        1. Philippe 

          On 14 Aug, 2012

          @NuN

          There are already quite a few things to make you pay for the loss of dexia revenue ( in your gas/ electricity/ water / TV invoices, money collected for a whole rang of good reasons, channelled to an underground network "intercommunales" ( What's the NL word for this anyway ?) . But of course, just after the municipal elections will be a good time ti make us pay for the lost capital..
  9. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 14 Aug, 2012

    http://youtu.be/Z86g4mvJT_c
  10. Theo 

    On 14 Aug, 2012

    Boney M. are my favorite :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg&feature=related
    1. Christof 

      On 14 Aug, 2012

      @theo
      Of course, how could i forget, like the jaksons 5 and shake your body down to the ground (great live version on youtube in blue disco outfit btw). And as for chic, look up chic cheer, very dry nile rodgers rif.
      1. Theo 

        On 14 Aug, 2012

        @ Christof

        Le fric c'est chic :-)
        I didn't know that was also from the 1970s...

        It was the guys from Brasil who came out on stage at @London2012 who made me think of that side of things from the 1970s. I was quite taken aback
        I'm going around for the past 2 days asking people about life in the 1970s. It's quite the experience
  11. FV 

    On 14 Aug, 2012

    nog wat leesvoer voor alle nog vakantiegangers :
    http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf
    1. Philippe 

      On 14 Aug, 2012

      Thanks for bringing so much light and pleasant prospects to my mind just before me taking the road
      I love it when papers present old knowledge in newer,complicated, garments. I love when people are even more optimistic than I am (sarcasm)

      To add some optimism to this piece of financial eschatology, please note that it would be possible to restart the civilization with a couple of hundred thousand people. So we should not fear even the worse economic collapse. After a brief period of dark ages ( say 700 years) , humanity would probably rediscover things such as metallurgy, scripture, mathématics and the like. The next financial crisis would probably happen around AD 3670. That would of course delay the landing on Mars by 2000 years or so, but is that so important compared to the prospects of not facing his type of systemic collapse for a long long time.
  12. Philippe 

    On 14 Aug, 2012

    Meanwhile...

    If you want to delight fom the beauty of the giant Euro sign on the Frankfurt Airport terminal , hurry up. It will be dismantled in the next 24 hours. It will not be relocated elsewhere.
    Seems the even larger euro sign in front of the BCE is also on the list of unholy oups, correction, unsafe public sculptures to be removed from the sight of the public.
  13. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 16 Aug, 2012

    Wat is de gelijkenis tussen dit lied uit 1975

    http://youtu.be/mc23Jbxbmbw

    en de NBB?

    http://columns.skynetblogs.be/tag/jean%20luc%20dehaene

    De Echo weet maar al te goed dat men in Scrabble maar 1 letter nodig heeft om het woord Zero te veranderen in Hero.

    Echo and The Bunny Men .....Bring on the Dancing Horses

    http://youtu.be/mo-VkavLUGI

    definition ;The Bunny Man is an urban legend that probably originated from two incidents in Fairfax County, Virginia in the 70's,. There are many variations to the legend, but most involve a man wearing a rabbit costume ("bunny suit") who attacks people with a tax.
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 16 Aug, 2012

      De gedachte is niet langer vrij. De Tandt des Tijds geeft ze ge-hype-o-thekeerd.
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 16 Aug, 2012

        Il est toujours facile d'obéir, si l'on rêve de commander. (Sartre)
  14. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 16 Aug, 2012

    The best thing about 1975 is that is was prior to 1977 :)

    http://youtu.be/yZ2otvF_h1M

    For Zeus and the oyher almighty gods of Mount Berlaymont the only thing I have so say is

    http://youtu.be/P6EhZaFZ-Dc

    Very soonI will do it ;my way.
    http://youtu.be/ixuOLJfwa4Q
    I will go to a communist Hell soon and burn forever as I will pay an 10 percent income tax.I will leave Heaven for those who can afford a 60 percent tax rate without the VAT of 21 percent on that 60 percent income tax.) a tax that come prior to another tax of 25 percent called RV.Sadly you are only able to pay the RV tax of 25 percent if first you to pay your beurstaks:)
    http://youtu.be/ixuOLJfwa4Q

  15. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 16 Aug, 2012

    PS;:Did you know that Berlaymont was named after Berlaymont:)Charles de Berlaymont (Namur, 1510 – Namur, 1578) was a noble who sided with the Spanish during the Eighty years war, and was a member of the Council of Troubles.
    The Council of Troubles (usual English translation of Dutch: Raad van Beroerten, or Spanish: Tribunal de los Tumultos, or French: Conseil des Troubles) was the special tribunal instituted on September 9, 1567 by Fernando Álvarez de Toledo, 3rd Duke of Alba, governor-general of the Habsburg Netherlands on the orders of Philip II of Spain to punish the ringleaders of the recent political and religious "troubles" in the Netherlands. Because of the many death sentences pronounced by the tribunal, it also became known as the Council of Blood (Bloedraad in Dutch and Conseil de Sang in French)
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 16 Aug, 2012

      Le plus lâche des assassins, c'est celui qui a des remords.
    1. Philippe 

      On 16 Aug, 2012

      The building Berlaymont is indeed named after the usual name of its location. The place was previously a covent, "Notre Dame de Berlaymont". The name does indeed initially come from the noble familly in question, but rather Florent de Berlaymont than his father Charles. Florent initially sided with Egmont, was imprisonned and later remained loyal to the Habsburg rule. His wife and him later founded a religious order devoted to the education of noble young girls, and most places named after Berlaymont in Belgium refer to this rather than to Charles.
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 16 Aug, 2012

        Why is it that Belgium has so many places named after cowards and traitors?The lesson learned is then if you sell out your friends and everything you stand for you will get a statue in Belgium and if you stand your grounds you will be beheaded?
        Well Florent must have been Charles son indeed.
        1. Nacht Und Nebel 

          On 16 Aug, 2012

          doesn't bode well then for the europeans when the european authorities have chosen suchs a place as a headquarter.:(
          1. Philippe 

            On 16 Aug, 2012

            We will have to agree to disagree on your assessment of Berlaymont & sons as traitors ( they chose a side, historically spaking the wrong one, but haw could we judge events that occured more than half a millenia ago ) or cowards ( from a military point of view, they surely showed courage).

            Anyway, the true problematic institution is righ aside the street, in the Justius Lipsius building. Do you have an idea about what Justus Lipsius called a rational state ? Citizens-soldiers eduated to discipline, lead by a strong central authority. A XVIth century christian soviet union.
            1. Nacht Und Nebel 

              On 16 Aug, 2012

              Algemeen was de verslagenheid in de Nederlanden op het bekend worden van deze gevangennemingen. Egmonds aanzien bij het volk en zijne uitstekende diensten verhieven hem zoover boven de gewone burgers, en zijne verkleefdheid aan den Katholieken godsdienst was bovendien zoo wel bekend, dat wanneer hij in de macht van Alva en zijn handlangers vallen moest, niemand zich meer veilig achten kon. De wrok tegen de Spanjaarden nam van uur tot uur toe. De hertogin geliet zich, alsof zij verontwaardigd was over de inhechtenisneming van de beide edelen, hoewel het nergens blijkt dat zij een woord tot hunne verdediging waagde, of ook maar een vinger verroerde om hen te redden. Zij wenschte niet, hare handen in onschuld te
              [p. 227]
              wasschen; het ergerde haar slechts, dat de beide onschuldige mannen, zonder haar verlof gevat waren. Alva had, wel is waar, Barlaymont en Mansfeld afgezonden om der hertogin van het gebeurde kennis te geven, met de fraai klinkende verontschuldiging, dat hij haar van al de verantwoordelijkheid en al het hatelijke van den maatregel had willen ontheffen;
              http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/motl001opko02_01/motl001opko02_01_0007.php
              1. Philippe 

                On 16 Aug, 2012

                Historians from the late XIXth century - such as Motley in casu - certainly knew how to use emphasis to transmit information in the most partisan way. In his own time (1856) , hos work was criticized as including made up facts to improve the story.

                " The humanist historian Johannes van Vloten was very critical however, and responded to Fruin in the introduction to his Nederlands opstand tegen Spanje 1575-1577 (1860): "...about the proper appreciation of Motley's work (...) I agree less with your too favorable judgement. (...) We cannot build on Motley['s foundation]; for that - apart from the little he copied from Groen's Archives and Gachard's Correspondances - for that his views are generally too obsolete."[4] Although appreciating his efforts to make Dutch history known among an English-speaking audience, Van Vloten argues that Motley's lack of knowledge of the Dutch language prevented him from sharing the latest insights of the Dutch historiographers and made him vulnerable to bias in favor of Protestants and against Catholics."

                But his work was very much in favour in the orthodox fraction of Dutch protestantism and was thus eventuall "revised" and translated in 1879

            1. Nacht Und Nebel 

              On 16 Aug, 2012

              Philippe,

              So Justus Lipsius was just another Hilter.No wonder that he is one of the EU commissioners big hero"s.They will put him next to Julius Ceasar then, the EU commissioners greatest hero.
              1. Philippe 

                On 16 Aug, 2012

                @NuN.

                Unfair comparison though . Justius Lipsus was a scholar and his work on ancient latin texts are bright intellectual pieces. But he wrote his "politica" treaty, that makes Machiavelli's "The prince" look like a sweet progressist political statement. Again you have to place him in the context of his time. His understanding of treatment of open dissent was to "Burn, cut — for the whole body [of the state] is of greater value than some of its limbs". Cicero said almost the same 1600 years earlier.

                Politica was ironically put on the index by the Catholic Church, because it nevertheless contained weird ideas such as tolerance for a quiet and peaceful practice of minority religious groups.
                1. Nacht Und Nebel 

                  On 16 Aug, 2012

                  Philippe;

                  So the dark ages will always be an European thing then.What a contrast then with Persia.Sa'di Shirazi born in 1200 or so CE.Did you know that the entrance of Hajj of Nations has a Sa"di poem right at its entrance?I think it is called the bani Adam?

                  که در آفرینش ز یک گوهرند
                  چو عضوى به درد آورد روزگار
                  دگر عضوها را نماند قرار
                  تو کز محنت دیگران بی غمی
                  نشاید که نامت نهند آدمی

                  Human beings are members of a whole,
                  In creation of one essence and soul.
                  If one member is afflicted with pain,
                  Other members uneasy will remain.
                  If you've no sympathy for human pain,
                  The name of human you cannot retain!

                  When will Europe has his first human politician ?
                  1. Philippe 

                    On 16 Aug, 2012

                    @NuN

                    1/ The oriental world has had and, worse, is still prone to have and export his own obscurantists and human monsters. To mention but one, Tamerlane ( Timur / Demir ) in his time accounted for the violent death of 5% of global population. Ok, in the 14th century,... that's "only" 17 million people. But still, it took humanity quite a time to beat that world record...

                    "Funny" fact : it seems that his tomb was inscribed with the words : "The world will shake when I shall arise from the Dead". Of course the Soviet had the bright idea to open the tomb in June 1941.

                    2/ Humans were of all time, very human, with all the despicable traits this implies. The current approach in the western world attemps to hide this under a mass of bienpensant blahblah, but this eventually only leads us to select the worse of the pack to lead us.
                    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

                      On 16 Aug, 2012

                      Philippe,

                      My friend what can I say Tamertane was even a bigger monster then the lion kiing but I am not that sure..He only made between 10 to 20 million victims of his regime.

                      http://usslave.blogspot.be/2011/04/white-king-red-rubber-black-death.html

                      Call it our own inconvenient truth :(
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 16 Aug, 2012

        Philippe,

        Don't tell me.Florent later became a belgian saint after they had a least 20 immaculate conceptions when he was the abt of that religious order?:)
        1. Philippe 

          On 16 Aug, 2012

          No, he gave the job to his wife...
  16. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 16 Aug, 2012

    Breaking news.:Jean Luc,de voormalige voorzitter van Dexia gaat gebruik maken van de spijt octant.Hij heeft daarom besloten om een geste te doen.Hij gaat zijn bijverdiensten van de laatste tien jaar verdelen onder de armen.
    2 miljoen euro onder de linker arm en 2 miljoen euro onder de rechter arm.:)
  17. Theo 

    On 16 Aug, 2012

    @ NuN

    Don't get yourself so worked up, my friend.
    The entire Dutch War of Independence and la seul raison d'etre of Belgium has to do with the Golden Fleece... and we are back to the Argonautica... and the girl from Kiev marrying the French King
    Wallonie & Flanders were torn away from Protestant rule and Belgium was established as a catholic Kingdom only because the catholic Wolloon nobles thought that was the only way they were going to get the Treasure (of the Golden Fleece) . That's what they were told ! The Treasure was rightfully theirs, but religion (Protestant rule under the Dutch King ) stood in their way.
    Of course they were total fools !
    After all, the Treasure is still in Vienna. And the Spanish established their own Order.

    At the end of August a new Metro line will open in Sofia and the Yellow Brick Road will become pedestrian... I need to get myself a pair of silver slippers :-)
    The history of Europe would be so boring without the Habsburgs...
  18. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 16 Aug, 2012

    Theo,

    I hope that you can convince the bulgarians that the days that a new member could grin like a Cheshire cat are long over.The abundance of milk and cream. were turned into limburger cheese by now.
    Why invest in silver slippers ?Better buy some silver bullets to slay the european monster?:)
    Europe will only turn Bulgaria into another Bulge-area.At that is a real shame.Bulgaria has alot of talented people and some very good looking women too:)
    The first thing they will demand from Bulgaria will be higher income taxes and solidarity with Greece :(
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 16 Aug, 2012

      http://youtu.be/d-PQKDDeui8
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 16 Aug, 2012

        wrong number:)
        http://youtu.be/PyBarlNnUuU
  19. Theo 

    On 16 Aug, 2012

    @ NuN

    Bulgarians don't need convincing

    When Bulgaria was accepted in the EU and the people woke up on January 1st 2007 after a night of heavy drinking... the first question on everybody's lips was "Why did they accept us now?"
    You see, we have a history of being accepted into unions as those unions are on the brink of collapse.
    The Bulgar don't have any illusions either about the EU or about the EZ - these people have been around and seen the world turn for tens of millenniums. Only the Slavs do (not for nothing they are the model people of Marxism) . The Gypsies are like the Greeks - they are just after whatever they can get in the meantime.

    Dorothy wore silver slippers in the Wizard of Oz
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 16 Aug, 2012

      Theo,

      I hope that when you take your silver slippers for a walk down yellow brick road that Bulgaria will turn into Ozzstralia:)
      1. Theo 

        On 16 Aug, 2012

        We can skip better than Skippy ;-)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuabm-tvFwY&feature=related
  20. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    Philippe;

    Laten we nooit vergeten hoe (h)antwerp(en) aan haar naam geraakte.

    De andere geschiedenis van Belgie kan je hier bekijken

    http://youtu.be/wpibEk3lUg0
  21. Theo 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    @ NuN & @Philippe

    Lipsius wrote about principalities and princes. And now we have the EU Consilium building named after him.

    Before reading Politica, one should read De Constatia.
    He basically tried to develop a new philosophy which was supposed to help people go through the religious war which were raging throughout Europe at the time, by attempting to combining Roman Stoicism and Catholicism.
    Of course that doesn't work...
    Why would a prince be virtuous and prudent if he believes he has been appointed by divine power which is even higher than the combination of human powers of all his subjects put together ? A prince by definition has been put in charge of his principality to rule his people for his own benefit... not to rule over his people for their own benefit !
    In Book 4 he says that a prince has no right to intervene in the internal affairs of the Church... as it is above him. He also says that peace could only be achieved if there was only one religion allowed.

    So basically the civil concord Lipsius championed is possible in a state with a divinely appointed ruler and the ruled must believe in just 1 religion, Catholicism, which of course put the ruler in place and tells them all they need to know and follow it without any question (dogma's)

    And the EU is supposedly democratic... Nobody ever asked EU politicians what their definition of Democracy is

    1. Theo 

      On 17 Aug, 2012

      @ NuN & Philippe

      Reading Justus Lipsius one might even wonder why EU politicians are against Sharia Law in Europe !!!
    1. Philippe 

      On 17 Aug, 2012

      @Theo

      If the prince in question is a Euroleader (TM) , he may simply apply it in a reverse fashion : "I am the prince / the euroleader and thus I am, by definition, virtuous and prudent ( and gifted and this and that , the list ought to be proportionnate to the importance of the person ) . Anyone who contradicts this lacks my virtue and prudence and is thus negligible or should be carved out of the society ( even if he/she asks for asylum to Ecuador"

      the EU is democratic by definition. you and me know very well we shouldn't challenge this.

      Now, the XVIth century is about the time some people started to wonder whether princes should act for the benefit of their people. I suppose that's the reading I have of JL : he raised the question and we can hardly call him a fool as, 400 years later, we still have a structure of leadership that is very imperfect at making the difference between common good ( Res publica as the ancioent called it ) and personnal interest...
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 17 Aug, 2012

      Theo,

      So we will our first female dictator:)I wonder who will win the Immaculate Miss Conception elections :)
      I hope she wears shades and high heels:)
  22. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    Theo,

    If we would introduce the sharia law in Europe we would need a whole new banking system.I guess that is why Eu politicians like jean Luc are so against the Sharia.No more hand outs for Jean Luc.That man has principles In order to buy him you must pay a hefty price (please make your donations in Swiss Francs,Jean Luc lost all his faith in the euro after the dexia disaster)
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 17 Aug, 2012

      Jamais la nature humaine n'est si avilie que quand l'ignorance superstitieuse est armée du pouvoir.
      voltaire
    1. Philippe 

      On 17 Aug, 2012

      @NuN

      Islamic finance is far from preventing bribes and hands out. far far far away... It certainly contains virtuous ideas, but it is, after all, in the hands of humans.

      @Theo

      As said, I read Justus Lipsius' politica as a plea for a form of christian soviet state. I know very well that the trend is now towards another religion. My neighbours open their windows very wide every night to share that knowledge with me.
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 17 Aug, 2012

        Philippe,

        :)Laat ons hopen dat de publieke opnie nooit de woorden van Machivelli vergeet.

        Als de bevelhebber bekwaam is, moet hij door wetten zodanig aan banden worden gelegd dat hij de grenzen van de macht niet kan overschrijden.

        Dat is de ware toedracht van het 1975 artikel van de rimporter.

        Liberate Me roept Draghi.We wensen te regeren zonder rekening te moeten met de wensen van het gepeupel.De EU commisie wordt zo de eerste dictatuur die democratisch regeert in de naam van Goldman Sachs.

        De rimporter voegt er gewoon Ex Inferis aan toe aan het te verkopen aan het gepeupel


      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 17 Aug, 2012

        Philippe,

        why can't we not have 1 faith?Mine!I am a follower of Dog.
        the rules of my religion are very simple.:if you cant eat it and you cant fuck it, piss on it.:)
  23. Theo 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    @ Philippe

    You know I meant the Sharia thing as a thought provoking thing...
    I have the same reading of Politica as you do.
    Point is, today we know very well that Stoicism & Catholicism or Islam for that matter are not possible for synthesis, due mostly to the dogmatic and unquestionable nature of monotheistic religions which have sprang out of Judaism.
    But to have the Counsel of Europe sit in a building named after a person who tried to synthesise those two ideas for the sake of "civil concord"... allow me to be cynical about it - Sharia Law claims the very same thing.
    Plus as NUN points out they try to fulfill Chapter 1 of Politica by the introduction of Islamic Banking which supposedly takes care of "prudence"
    1. Philippe 

      On 17 Aug, 2012

      @Theo

      Still JL and B buildings have been around for quite a time. Just consider the 2 newer buildings in the European quarter

      - the Capital building ( fortunately not the Das Kapital building), Home to Baroness Ashton of Hupholland, High representative of the Union for foreign affairs and security policy, Vice president of the Commission, President of the EDA , President of the Foreign Council, Chair of the EUISS. This building has the form of a large zero inscribed within a triangle. it's composed of six separate blocks, each named after the capitals of the six founder states. I just hope they did not place the Berlin and Rome blocks on the same axis.

      - the Europa building, that will replace the Justius Lipsius as meeting place of the Council and host the offices of Herman Achille Van Rompuy. It's also named "the egg" as it has the shape of an egg ( the secured core of the building) encased in a cube. A full size symbol of openess and evolution and a usefull hint for solving the everlasting question about the precedence of the chicken and the egg.
      1. Theo 

        On 17 Aug, 2012

        @ Philippe

        You mean The Democratically Unellected EU President is going to be moved from his current place at the 13th floor of his Pyramid ? Don't tell me, with the EUterus they are getting ready for when there are 33 members...
        Architecturally actually the Egg is going to be a building with multidimensional (not just 3-D) geometric space - very much like la Grande Arche at La Defense in Paris

        As to the Capital... well, it's not like we don't know it's the brotherhood of the builders... even if all they have managed thus far are crumbling sand castles
        The more archaeology discovers about the real Troy, the further East to the Nile we try to conquer. Honestly I don't see the difference between our "civilised" people and savage cannibals - they all think they can some how possess the power of those they perceive as their enemy.

        Justus Lipsius wrote about how to rule 1 principality by just 1 prince... Star Wars showed us how a whole Galaxy could be run
        Eastern European countries have the experience of the economics and politics of the Eastern Block
        1. Philippe 

          On 17 Aug, 2012

          For the cannibals, I don't know. They may have shown more respect for their ennemies and restricted their predatory behaviour to the necessary...

          For the remainder, the function hasn't yet received its definitive name I guess. Президиум Верховного Совета is probably not politically correct enough, and is too short ( as I said the lenght of the title reflects the importance. That was true for the romans and that's still true ) so we may have to settle for "President of the union of free democratic european states"
          1. Nacht Und Nebel 

            On 17 Aug, 2012

            Philippe,

            I would prefer that we call the president Gran Maestro delle pulci dorate:)
  24. Theo 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    @ Philippe

    Leadership is a function of how well state education manages to instruct the people in the Art of Blind Following (TM).

    This is the biggest difference between the East and the West - one has philosophies while the other has religions. The West discovered a long time ago that the only way to rule the Rest was to convert it to one religion or another.

    Carl Jung tried to combine Eastern philosophies with religions of the West... and produced a Test for Followers, otherwise known as a Personality Test at HR departments.
    Political leaders use the same in reverse - they identify the target group of followers (voters) and then choose the leader to go after them accordingly (very much as in religions indeed).





  25. Theo 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    @ NuN

    I'm glad I share my name with a topless mountain... I'm still trying to find out if God Perun (god of thunder and lightning like Zeus) who lives in the Pirin mountain blasted the top off or what...

    My inner macro goddess is dancing to fifty tunes of chalga music in killer heels :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH9C-1mMJkY
  26. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    Theo,

    what can I say.I am a sucker for almond eyes and the rythm .........:)

    In my hallucination
    I saw my beloved's flower garden
    In my vertigo, in my dizziness
    In my drunken haze
    Whirling and dancing like a spinning wheel

    I saw myself as the source of existence
    I was there in the beginning
    And I was the spirit of love
    Now I am sober
    There is only the hangover
    And the memory of love
    And only the sorrow..............................;
    ..................................................................;
    ....................................................................
    http://youtu.be/3PajI7hG4so
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 17 Aug, 2012

      http://youtu.be/X-idP23bHCg
  27. Theo 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    @NuN

    I love sufi music and poetry too... as well as Buddhist and Indian. I might not know much about music but I do know where its heart lies ;-)
    I often joke with my Italian friends that they didn't just learn math and banking from the Arabs, but also how to talk to women and sing about love
  28. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    Theo,

    It is strange that we think of Persia as an arab nation.It is not They are caucasian and they there language is a european language.We have to thank the french politics for the Ayatollah as they wanted the persian oil so badly and we do need to thank american politics for the taliban as the wanted to hurt the russians.
  29. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 17 Aug, 2012

    Theo,

    every time somebody sends you a hafez poem you should remember that the lion is most handsome when looking for food :)
  30. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 18 Aug, 2012

    Theo & Philippe,

    The more we seems to disagree about our past the more we seem to agree about our near future.Isn'r that a scary thing?
    Nous sommes des victimes des Put(a)ins de pouvoir


    http://static-c.telenetportaal.be/tmp/410/300/r/2985/201208161413-1_manifestatie-voor-pussy-riot-vrijdag-in-brussel-.jpg
  31. Theo 

    On 18 Aug, 2012

    @ NuN

    Sure they know Iranians are Indo-Europeans. After all the USA and Germany (later formed countries) have Eagles and not Lions as their heraldry symbols... same as the Achaemenid Empire rulers.
    Lions were used to depict weak/unworthy adversaries one had to fight and show no mercy and finish off once and for all.
    A horseman is always depicted hunting and killing a lion accompanied by his eagle and his dog.
    The Thracian horseman and the Madara horseman are also depicted in this fashion.
    Under the influence of Christianity this was changed into St. George who kills a Dragon... and the lion was used as sign of bravery. In the beginning though it was a lioness... which of course makes more sense.
    The cowardly lion appears again in the Wizard of Oz and stands for the Europeans

    Eurasia would be the recreation of the Achaemenid Empire I guess. It's what the Russians have been saying all along. That of course also included the countries of the Arab Spring. Greece has long ago been exposed as a fraud in terms of where democracy and the model for the EU come from. Its destruction is also symbolic
  32. FV 

    On 18 Aug, 2012

    Even terzijde. The Economist bevindt Belgische woning 55% overgewaardeerd. Bloedbadje komt zo !?
  33. Theo 

    On 19 Aug, 2012

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/liamhalligan/9484414/A-message-from-the-1970s-on-state-spending.html

    During the 1970s the economies were hit for the first time since the "boom" of the 50s & 60s. The oil shock...
    Plus the UK was bankrupted (denied access to international markets) by the US for daring to outplay the US at the gold standard poker table... a payback for being outsmarted at the Bretton Woods conference
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