This time is just the same

Published: February 24, 2010 - 06:02
This article received :  10 Comments

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The author of the best-selling book "this time is different" is rather bearish. The euro is not viable, countries will default, the recovery is not sustainable...


When he Greek crisis started, the finger was - as usual- pointed to "speculators". We now know that the Greek budget was fudged, that the deficit has run out of control, that the Greek government begged China for financing etc etc. Speculation has always been the guilty for the public opinion, but in fact speculation does not make any sense without a fundamental judgement. Soros just added the last straw that broke the UK camel's back. Other pushed some Lehman, but the bank could not be saved anymore. I do not say that I would participate in such practices, but it is only a small part of the real problem. Solve fundamental problems, even better anticipate problems, and you can not get into the loop of speculators.

Now we see that other countries are having some difficulties with their budgets and credibility. Over the last 6 months, almost all countries have seen their risk premiums (as measured by CDS insurance premiums) widen.

Investors (or speculators ?) judge Norway and Finland as the best sovereign quality, not the US, Japan or China.

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Kenneth Rogoff says that country defaults w ill be inevitable:

Rogoff, 56, said he expects Greece will eventually be bailed out by the IMF rather than the European Union. Greece will probably announce an austerity program “in a few weeks” that will prompt the EU to provide a bridge loan which won’t be enough to save the country in the long run, he said.

“It’s like two people getting married and saying therefore they’re living happily ever after,” said Rogoff. “I don’t think Europe’s going to succeed.”

Investors will eventually demand higher interest rates to lend to countries around the world that have accumulated debt, including the U.S., he said. The IMF forecast in November that gross U.S. borrowings will amount to the equivalent of 99.5 percent of annual economic output in 2011. The U.K.’s will reach 94.1 percent and Japan’s will spiral to 204.3 percent.

“In rich countries -- Germany, the United States and maybe Japan -- we are going to see slow growth. They will tighten their belts when the problem hits with interest rates,” Rogoff said at the forum, which was hosted by CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets, a unit of Credit Agricole SA, France’s largest retail bank. Japanese fiscal policy is “out of control,” he said.

Euro Concerns

So far concerns about the euro zone’s ability to withstand the deteriorating finances of its member nations have outweighed the U.S.’s deficit woes, propping up the dollar.

“The more they suck in Greece, the lower the euro goes, because it’s not a viable plan,” Rogoff said. “Clearly the dollar is going to go down against the emerging markets -- there’s going to be concern about inflation and the debt.”

I would add some remarks:

* Governments should stop complaining about speculators (that attack 40 countries at the same time ???), and tackle the fundamental debt problems.

* The IMF and the EU should not give any money before getting decent debt restructuring and deficit reduction plans are credible.

* Central banks should bring interest rates at levels that discourage further debt enhancement of private individuals, companies and countries.

* The anglosaxon opinion leaders are always quick to point to Europe and the euro, but the US and the UK are in a much worse debt shape than Europe.

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10 Comments

  1. Frank 

    On 23 Feb, 2010

    some additional remarks:

    1. Governments should stop spending what they dont have and stop using tax money (productive capital stolen from productive people) to prop up zombie companies and unproductive malinvestments. Downsize the governments asap!

    2. The debt and money system should go back into the power of the people by means of a democratic chosen entiy instead of being in the hands of banksters.

    3. Central banks should move out of the way of markets. They have no clue what the ideal inflation rate is nor do they know how to obtain it. They can't even meassure real inflation. Furthermore they can't spot a (debt - housing - stock) bubble even when a thousand bloggers worldwide saw it coming from a mile away. They are part of the problem, not the solution.

    4. Deflation should be let to run it's course since it's going to happen anyway. It should not be feared because it's the solution not the problem. It cleans out the system. It's like nature: when the organic rotting process is over you get a fertile soil which is the base for fabulous growth. The choice is simple: a serious deflation now, a total collapse later ...

    5. Many economists, analists, (central) banksters, politicians worldwide need a decent lesson in humility and self criticism for not seeing a debt problem so obvious to many. They miserably failed. Failed in their profession for not seeing what they should have. Failed socialy for not warning the people. Failed financially for not warning their employer. In case you missed it; the key word is FAILED.

    6. In case you still think your leaders saying the worst is over, start reading this blog and think for yourself. Or read some other financial blog and think for yourself. Or just think for yourself.

    7. What really makes me sad is that our debt based money system and Anglosaxon way of life drains the vitality of our economy. Anglosaxon societies drain productive capital and productive energy from entrepeneurs and kills their energy, incentive, spirit and drive to "put money at work" which we so desperately need for our future welfare.
  2. Koen Robeys 

    On 23 Feb, 2010

    "Solve fundamental problems, even better anticipate problems, and you can not get into the loop of speculators"

    Ik ben er niet zo zeker van. Paul Krugman schrijft in The Return of Depression Economics dat tijdens de Azië crisis de speculanten op zoek naar een volgende prooi Hong Kong in het vizier hadden - hoewel daar niet echt iets aan de hand was. Maar een klein land, in een atmosfeer van crisis staat zwak. De "speculanten" beginnen de munt te verkopen, en het land in kwestie kan ze alleen blijven opkopen tot de deviezenvoorraad is uitgeput - en dan crasht de munt en de speculanten incasseren.

    Als de deviezenvoorraden klein zijn in verhouding tot wat de aanvallers willen inzetten - en in het bijzonder als ze tijdens een atmosfeer als in de Aziëcrisis de markt meekrijgen zal dat wel zo zijn - heeft ook een gezond klein land niet veel kans.

    Dit gezegd zijnde denk ik wel dat een hoop van die afgedwongen devaluaties inderdaad een goede zaak waren. Maar ik ben er niet zo zeker van dat de speculanten geen kans krijgen als er geen fundamentele problemen zijn.

    Wel goed dat deze post op het einde de nogal selectieve kritiek op de euro in vraag stelt, terwijl een eenheidsmunt als de dollar ook wel zijn problemen heeft. EUR/USD heeft de laatste tien jaar geschommeld tussen ruwweg 0.80 en 1.60 USD voor een euro; momenteel staan we 1.35. Dus die "the lower the euro goes" staat wel wat kaal. Het is nu een beetje terug gekomen sinds de dagen van "de nakende crash van de dollar"; meer niet...
  3. Theo 

    On 24 Feb, 2010

    Everybody is in the same basket - US, UK and EU.
    The difference though is in the actions they can take on their own.
    Fact is, from those 3, the EU has the least options as a "union" on what and how much it can do for one of its members.
    And tat's where its weakness lies!

    While everybody is too busy weighing the options on Greece living the Euro and what that might mean, I have a different question - what if Germany lives the Euro?
    1. bert 

      On 7 Mar, 2010

      thanks for suggesting the Rogoff Reinhart paper some months ago. I just saw in the news that Iceland wants to default on his debt after the referendum. Looks like the first official default just arrived
  4. Theo 

    On 24 Feb, 2010

    That's "leaving" of course.

    Let's not forget that in a sense Germany is our own China within the EU and the Euro zones. Its current account surplus is the size of the current account deficits of all the Club Med combined! Its manufacturing and economic growth is the result of its symbiotic trade relationship with the EU and the Euro zone.
  5. FV 

    On 24 Feb, 2010

    http://www.slate.com/id/2245328
    een (niet zo fraaie) parabel van Charles Munger, Buffetts rechterhand
    1. Bart 

      On 24 Feb, 2010

      meer fraais...

      http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2010/0219.html
    1. (n)iemand 

      On 24 Feb, 2010

      Nice...

      "persons employed by the casinos (many of whom were engineers needed elsewhere)"

      Veel dan die quants kwamen natuurlijk van die andere bubble... star-wars en andere koude oorlog programma's. Als vlooien die van een koud op een warm kadaver springen.
  6. BertS 

    On 24 Feb, 2010

    Dit alles in een LongWave (Kondratieff) perspectief geplaatst:

    Ian Gordon: Ignore the Illusion of Spring

    http://www.theaureport.com/pub/na/5679
  7. Theo 

    On 24 Feb, 2010

    It occurs to me... Is the Euro a union or a onion?
    The more you peel it, the more you cry.
    The more you cut it, the more "tear gas" it releases.

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