The Bundesbank, 1975, 1997, 2012 ?

Published: August 27, 2012 - 12:11
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We have seen some remarkable shifts lately on the German political front. Yesterday, Frau Merkel wistled back its CSU coalition partner after an interview in Der Spiegel which was rather unfriendly towards Mario Draghi and Greece. In addition, in her ARD appearance, Frau Merkel was remarkably in favor of the ESM rescue construction, also a new element to reconsider.

My colleague Nikolaas Bellens pointed towards an another interesting episode in German history. We already blogged on the 1975 QE experiment but this story has even more funny angles. In 1997, it became clear that even Germany had trouble in reaching the standards it co-imposed in the Maastricht Treaty in December 1991. Now Chancellor Kohl and Finance Minister Theo Waigel (CSU Bavarian and usually rigid on budgetary orthodoxy), suddenly came up with the plan to revalue the German gold reserves held by the Bundesbank, this in order to qualify for the Maastricht debt criteria. This would boost revenue, lower the deficit and to be used to pay off old debt as well. Note that next to Kohl (CDU) and Waigel (CSU), the government statement on this revaluation intention was signed by Wolfgang Schauble (CDU, current German finance minister as well). The statement said the plan made sense and was responsible. In an interview afterward, Mr Waigel said "we want to uphold the independence of the Bundesbank. It makes sense to do this in 1997. What makes sense in 1999 cannot be wrong in 1997"

Now this initial plan generated fierce resistance, not in the least from an international political surprising angle : Lionel Jospin, later in 1997 to become French PM of PS signature, really, of all people (!!). He immediately attacked the Kohl/Chirac axis, saying the Waigel gold reserve trick was "accounting trickery" and a "bookkeeping fudge".

Of course the Bundesbank wasn't happy either over this political move. In May 1997, the Bundesbank issued the following statement : "With a payout in the year 1997, the reference year for the choice of participating nations in monetary union, the danger exists of a loss in trust in the stability of the future currency. We also dispute the government's argument that a gold revaluation would count toward a lower deficit under the rules of the EU Treaty".

And so good old Hans Tietmeyer - Buba architect of Maastricht and also better known as "The Tiet", came into the game. He invited Bonn for coffee in Frankurt and in June, the following compromise saw the light : Bonn was allowed to benefit from a revaluation of the Buba's forex reserves but gold was to be left untouched until after 01/01/99.

Now do you spot some resemblances with what is going on right now ? I think we have reached the phase where the major rescue decisions are carried by European political heavy weights and the ECB president. It now all boils down to finding a workable compromise in acceptable wrapping paper so it can be sold to the Buba without "perdre face" too much.

60 Comments

  1. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 27 Aug, 2012

    I wish this was about Belgium and how they cooked they books in 72,73,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12.
    And afer that we can start a talk about the fact that the first belgian non corrupt politician isn't born yet.We could call that the Agusta files.
    Or about the fiscal facts why De Croo is a 'farmer.
    I love the Buba not because of its perfections but because of its fault.
    At least they tried to do sometime and that is so much more then the sales and lease back operation notes of the fatstest headless gunner with a zit on his shoulder farting We solve problems when they appear.
    Let us all be brutus and think about the fact that the faults lies not in the buba but in ourselves.that we are underlings.
    It is human condition that drives men to their decisions and actions,,not fate.
  2. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 27 Aug, 2012

    Christof,

    You know a have a deep respect for you (you earned that yourself) but when you know tthat he House has aces up their sleeves then you never bet against it.You just collect your chips and start all over somewhere else.
    In WW2 you had 3 kind of jews.
    1;some said Hilter will turn out to be not so bad.
    2.some said We must fight against Hitler.
    3.some said;A ticket please for New York.
    Who were the smartest?

    The is not about losing face but about losing your life.
  3. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 27 Aug, 2012

    QE 69 will not solve the problem the outcome will still be the same.
  4. Theo 

    On 27 Aug, 2012

    Mr. Gray on the Meaning of Folly

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14587364

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01391jt

    @ Christof

    I can see why he likes Parade's End.
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 27 Aug, 2012

      Theo,

      The QE-mania is so similar with unilever"s strategy today to help the poor europeans.We (unilever) see that europeans are getting poorer.We want to help you.We will no longer sell 1kg packages that cost 15 euros but rather sell you 0;1 kg packages that will cost you only 3 euros.You do not have to thanks us for saving 12 euros per package.
  5. christof Govaerts 

    On 27 Aug, 2012

    @all
    Again the point here was not to be judgemental (approve- disapprove). The point was merely to show to you that what happens today is of all times, even involving Germany no matter the sound some are making. The dog, its bark etc. And it was funny to see that at 1 point in time, our germanic friends were even lectured by a French PS heavy weight (too good to be true, I couldn't pass on that occasion). But Maastricht was softened on the 60%, to the extend that those who were way above this limit (Belgium, Italy and others) were given the opportunity to become good pupils : 60% or decreasing consistently into that direction ; now when you look at the German evolution in between 1991 and 1999, you get a different story (unification and sick growth man of Europe). So before we start shouting at one another, it's always better to clean your own doorstep first. As for Belgium (and others) cooking the books, of course Mr Nacht und Nebel !! And open VLD was no exception to that as a partner in crime !!
    1. Theo 

      On 27 Aug, 2012

      Yep. All in the name of the Great European Project , aka the Folly

      The EU is a political project wrapped up as an economic one. All along the way Our Dear EU Leaders make economic and financial "compromis a la Belge" comparable to the political compromises they make even in their sleep. They don't get that, unlike the consequences of political compromises, the consequences of economic and financial compromises a la Belge last a very very very long time, are unpredictable and lead to chaos.
      Of course that leads to uncertainty and fear ! They only just discovered that fact?! Why do we pay them so much for??? I thought it was because they were supposed to be smarter than us.

  6. Theo 

    On 27 Aug, 2012

    I forgot to mention something...

    I know sometimes I seem totally nuts writing about Troy and stuff... The story of the Trojan War is the creation myth of Europe... the way the Bible is supposed to be the creation myth of the world. (When Darwin published his work, everybody went out to try and find if Troy was real... and archaeology was born because of that. trying to prove that Troy was real was more important than anything else back then) Each empire after that had to show its leaders descended from heroes who participated in the Trojan War
    This is why John Gray also uses the Trojan horse in his illustration of the Folly in the context of the European Union politics and the euro crisis
    1. Christof 

      On 27 Aug, 2012

      @Theo,
      My dearest, you couldn't have said it better like you did : the eu in fact is a political project wrapped up as an economic one. But when stnding at the crossroads, it has geopolitical implications What are you giving up for getting what in return ? Who is served when breaking up ? I understand the reflex of trying to keep things together, in the light of the last 100 years and in view of turning back the clock on the level of powerplay. So even if the ambition is admirable when everybody knows that it was badly conceived - and we are now trying to buy time to get out of it - it is in fact very very difficult to let go the idea. Errare humanum est, even for the greater good.
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 28 Aug, 2012

        christof,

        That is what I like about the european parlement.They are so democratic.They are even that good I dont even have to vote anymore and I like it when they are no longer after the pennies but after the greater goods.
        And to be honest;they tends to unite people.At first only the brits hated the european parliament and now no one loves the european parliament .except for some greeks

        http://youtu.be/d-PQKDDeui8
  7. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Overal, in de wereld zijn er...
    Afgezette lieden in bezette gebieden.
    Gesneden parten, Haat, Verraad, Wraak in versneden harten.
    Ontwikkeling staat stil, Al word er hard gerent.
    Het einde van de wereld vanaf dag 1 in je hart geprend.
    Hoe groei je op als haat je voeding is ?
    En iemand klein houden door machten die groeien is.
    Wat is respect ?
    wat is liefde ?
    wat is eigen wensen als je geen open kaart kan spelen met je eigen mensen.
    Theorieën zijn mooi, acties weerleggen niets.
    Principes lijken loos, gezegden zeggen niets.
    Angst regeert en dat doet het telang.
    Is het moment van eindeloze heibel bij ?
    Maar wees niet bang
    http://youtu.be/RsXRViEFEes
  8. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    http://youtu.be/6-rFLZS4Jpw

    DOOFPOT! DOOFPOT!
    Onze planeet is één grote doofpot!
    Dus houd het deksel maar op de pan
    en we koken gaar in onze eigen stoofpot
    DOOFPOT! DOOFPOT!
    Onze planeet is één grote doofpot!
    Ze zeggen de waarheid duurt het langst,
    maar een korte duur is wat ons beloofd wordt!
  9. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=DMF20120827_186

    de toekomstige staatsecretaris van de beperkte rechten van de mens stelt mij toch niet zo gerust.Ik stel mij bij de komende verkiezingen beschikbaar voor the greater good.jij kiest voor mij en ik kies voor jullie.daarna zij wij met zijn verkozen en dus onschendvaar/Dan hoeven wij deze onzin niet :)
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      http://youtu.be/05Z56Fqe1Bk
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      Theo;

      Ik ben maar een domme klootzak maar wat heeft het recht van inzage te maken met het weten van een begin- en een einddatum van een ongrondwettelijk onderzoek?
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 28 Aug, 2012

        'Wij hebben in april een advies uitgebracht. De tekst die toen voorlag, was op dat punt al problematisch. De Raad van State noemde het zelfs illegaal. Maar tot onze verbijstering is de uiteindelijke wettekst nog veel erger. Er is zelfs geen sprake meer van een onrechtstreekse controle van uw gegevens via de privacycommissie. Dat is nochtans een fundamenteel recht', aldus nog Debeuckelaere.

        http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=DMF20120825_027

        http://youtu.be/ZfUkFLfHSsE
  10. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Vincent,hoever is de fiscus gevorderd in het onderzoek naar Karels inkomsten?
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      http://youtu.be/qynbbfC7J5U
    1. Christof 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      Hilarious. Nu wat dat telefoongesprek betreft mbt fortis aandelen....
  11. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Another sign of the time they more touchable the touchables are the more untouchable the untouchables will be
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      http://youtu.be/5EOlZyD26T4
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 28 Aug, 2012

        http://youtu.be/5EOlZyD26T4
  12. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    FV,

    Ik had tot hiertoe zeer weinig geloof in goud.Maar toegegeven zowel de euro als hebben in principe een restwaarde.De waarde van de euro zal langzaam veranderen naar die restwaarde zijnde de marktwaarde van gebruikt papier terwijl goud steeds zijn gemiddelde delfkost zal benaderen wat ongeveer 750USD moet zijn.
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      FV,

      Laat je niet misleiden door de Car Price Index .Deze stort in elkaar omdat mensen bijna niets netto overhouden door de fenomenale stijging in de Food Energy and Tax Index .
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 28 Aug, 2012

        http://youtu.be/oksVS5g9wMg
  13. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    BloombergTV
    You just missed a classic Ron Paul tirade against Bernanke.
    He claims that inflation is really at 9 percent, vs. Bernanke's estimate of 2 percent, so he says they should split the difference at 5 percent.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-is-putting-on-a-great-show-right-now-in-front-of-bernanke-2012-2

    Je kan je enkel voorstellen hoe hoog de echte inflatie in Belgie is als je weet dat de euro ondertussen 15 procent verloor.
    Een zwakke euro goed for business,my a..,Mensen geven meer en meer uit voor hoe basisbhoeften Voedsel,energie,huisvesting.Er blijft bijna niets meer over voor andere bestedingen.Vergeet het,als je denkt dat men Europa kan redden door blijvend geld te pompen in vroegere schulden.
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      en als kers op de taart krijgt Belgie dan nog het goud volgend jaar wat betreft de hoogste tax to GDP ratio te verwerken .De Car Price Index in Belgie staat op instorten zoveel is zeker.

      http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-DU-12-001/EN/KS-DU-12-001-EN.PDF
  14. Theo 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    @ NuN

    Always look at the bright side of life.
    In 50 years we'll be going to the offices of the Be.last-dingen to have a look in our secret files...
    Dat is geen dt fout :-)
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      Theo,

      I am my friend.I know now that paying 50.000 USD is a small price to pay to become a honorary communist in Cambodia and pay the 20 percent income tax and the 10 percent VAT that every communist must pay over there.
      I will not complain at the hof van castratie I will just pack my bags a little sooner then planned.
      Bulgaria is not an option as soon as they will join the EU they will be forced to triple their income tax.So no Sunny Beach appartement for me altough they look very tempting;:)
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 28 Aug, 2012

        Theo,

        Today is a good day.I found Brunei and the sun begins to shine :)
  15. Theo 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    @ Christof

    CDU : Grexit will lead to great geopolitical danger, not only an economic one
    cited by Reuters
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      next episode in this farce is Greece will get more time
    1. Christof 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      @Theo
      Yep. But grexit isbstill possible though they won't admit this right now. First the big bazooka and sentiment changer on spain and italy and afterwards, when no one really cares any more, we can Greece cut loose. On the other hand, and looking what is happening right now, it could well be the case that a military coup d'etat will do the job for us.
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 28 Aug, 2012

        Christof,

        No military coup,my friend,wages are so much higher for the military when they remain a part of the EU.And don't forget as long as they are a part of the EU they can bribe the illegals for a transit to the EU.
        So forget the military coup they have the european koe to milk ;)
        1. FV 

          On 28 Aug, 2012

          Moreover, isn't it so that a military government automatically means the country must leave EU/EZ ?
        1. Nacht Und Nebel 

          On 28 Aug, 2012

          Greeks crack down on illegal immigrants.Well,to get a bribe you must first catch them,don't you.Those with money you release Those who haven't must go back to their country and bring the cash next time they visit Greece.

          http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/08/22/greece-cracks-down-on-illegal-immigration-amid-financial-crisis/
  16. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    and the episode after that will be the piigs bonds that the ECB and the ESM holds become perpetual bonds
  17. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Christof,

    Greece no longer a part of the EU?.Who will stop them printing ELA euro's just before they have to leaveFor every billion they had to repay this year they just started the printing press.How many ELA euros have they printed?I don't know.Does the ECB?.And will the ECB be able to take that kind of loss and what about ESM and the rest.
    No,Greece stays a part of the EU.
  18. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    christof,

    where can I find a price chart for sulphuric acid ?
  19. Theo 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    @ Christof

    Spot on. Greeks just love their military regimes.
    Have you seen the Italian and Spanish 3-6 month bill auctions today? How far is that going to get us???

    What are the odds on my Banker in the horse race today? ;-)
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      The FT prints a letter from John Whittaker a UK economist from
      Lancaster University, saying "The ECB is already bailing out Spain". The
      letter says Spain is already borrowing E423 billion from the ECB through
      its own central bank, with no austerity conditions, noting how Target 2
      debt of the Bank of Spain has risen in recent years. The letter goes on
      to conclude that "No eurozone government, including Spain and Greece, is
      likely to leave the euro by choice", instead saying the driving force of
      any country leaving the euro "is likely to be a decision by Germany and
      other creditor countries to cut their losses and deny further credit,
      including Target 2 credit." Elsewhere in the FT, another opinion piece
      also talks about issues with Target 2 under the title "Eurozone needs a
      German sovereign wealth fund"

      The more aid Spain will get the more the spread between germany and spain will tighten.After all it will be germany who will pay the final bill.
  20. Theo 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    @ FV & NuN

    Be careful about gold. The recent serge had more to do with the serge of Platinum

    The reason why gold was sold off by CBs and then the price hike since the introduction of the EUR is here

    http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11482.pdf

    @ NuN

    As the BG Fin Min recently reminded everybody - the BG currency is pegged to the DMark, not to the EUR
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      Theo,

      I know that bulgarian currency is pegged to the D-mark.But thanks /I was simply interested in Bulgaria as a new 6 month a year home when I am not in Asia.So I invested a little time in Bulgaria.The english have done their part in the real estate business over there so Sunny Beach offered opportunities ( and still is) unlike Spain.Spain is just another tax hell like Belgium.Don't bet that Spain will recover that soon.It will take at least 6 years of ECB support.
      My rule of tumb for buying gold is you buy gold when central banks are selling the stuff en masse and you sell gold when centrals banks are buying the stuff en masse.:)There are alot of Coenes in central banks all over the world and we know how he have landed that job./)And for the gold as and if assets inflation kicks in gold isn't that good as an inflation fighter but everyday goods are .Didn't do that badly with my heinz baked beans index. lately but thanks again.
      Well you could help my a little bit and tell me your favorite Bulgarians towns:)
      Towns I like very much are Pula,Opatija or Dubrovik.Any Bulgarian lookalikes?
      So please,please Theo :)
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      and Theo over the long run Platinum is the real gold.So much rarer.That proofs that gold is still over valued for the moment.If Pall goes down I would look at it.
  21. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Fiscale ontvangsten 6,9 procent hoger dan 2011 triomfeert Van Ackere.Wel dat zegt genoeg in wat voor een land we leven en dat wanneer de economie een negatieve groei kent :(
    Moet dat heerschap glunderen bij zoveel fiscale terreur?
    Zijn lach zal weldra verdwijnen wanneer hij de inkomsten van de volgende 6 maand zal zien
    En wat voor reden heeft om te glunderen ?Een rooftocht organisren waardoor hij 6.9 procent meer inkomsten heeft en dan nog niet in staat om een begroting in evenwicht te presenteren.
  22. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Het bewijs is wederom geleverd.Enkel een devaluatie kan landen zoals PIGS reddenWachten totdat de lonen in Duitsland die noodzakelijke devaluatie evenaren is een calvarietocht van minstens zes jaar.De euro is voldoende gedevalueerd tov het britse pond waardoor Ierland er weer bovenop komt.Dat,de nodige besparingen ,een gunstig fiscaal regime en een flinterdun overheidsapparaat zijn de enige weg uit deze crisis.

    De Ieren hebben de vastgoedcrisis in hun land helemaal verteerd. Dat suggereert toch het Ierse consumentenvertrouwen, dat op het hoogste peil staat in bijna vijf jaar.
  23. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Pas gelezen.En dit bedrag kan enkel exponentieel toenemen.:(

    ECB zal minstens 30 tot 50 miljard euro verliezen aan Griekse default

    Een Grexit zal gepaard gaan met een default van Griekenland, die de Europese Centrale Bank minstens minstens 30 tot 50 miljard euro aan verliezen zal kosten. Ter herinnering: de bank heeft is maar voor 10 miljard euro gekapitaliseerd en kan dus in zwaar weer belanden.

    Maar er is meer. Wanneer Griekenland omvalt, gaan waarschijnlijk eerst Ierland en vervolgens ook Portugal en Spanje dit voorbeeld volgen. De Duitse Bundesbank bezit meer dan aan 300 miljard euro aan Europees schuldenpapier en zal dus mee ten onder gaan.

    http://moneytalk.knack.be/economie/geld-en-beurs/beursnieuws/griekse-exit-kan-bundesbank-doen-omvallen/article-4000168785564.htm?nb-handled=true&utm_me
  24. Theo 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    @ NuN

    I'm spending the time this year to discover more about Bulgaria too. So much has changed...
    You obviously like the sea... That's OK because you can be there from April till October. You have real 4 season climate .
    Places I like are Balchik on the north coast of Black Sea and Sveti Vlas which is just north from Sunny Beach. Sunny Beach has most of the beach parties in the summer.
    Bulgarians like to go to places south of Burgas because they are still more or less like they used to be. It's not over-developed

  25. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Theo,

    Thank you very much.Do I like the sea?Hmmm,I like authenic fishing villages and what I do not want to see are in that order Belgians,the French,,the SwissRussians,Brits, the Dutch,Germans, but the rest is ok.So I do not like Sunny Beach but I was the easiest place to look for a place to buy.Now I have some other places to look at.
    If you find a real gem when you are over there then please tell me about it.I will look at the places you already named I am so excited ;)
    Smart thinking I guess you know everthing about Southeast Asian weather:)
  26. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    ooh and the fact that draghi doesn't go to jakson?Well that is Christof's Keyzer Söze theory.Not saying a word to the market that is the best thing he can do

    http://youtu.be/4GvD_NQrLFo
    1. Christof 

      On 28 Aug, 2012

      @all
      Hmmm, nice one on kaizer. And after a long radio silence, the ECB brings out the statement next week on Thursday that an Italian bund spread of 250 is to be the desired target, or a yield level not higher than 4 percent and before you know it, the short squeeze wipes out the london hedgies, with the ECB not having even bought a single bond. If I ware a central banker, but then again, rather not I guess...
  27. Christof 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    @Nun
    Txs for the jackson hole info, it could also mean a thing or 2. Most of us in the markets expected some bazooka info on 6 september, next ECB governing council. Have they become impatient and going the jewish way here, meaning pre-emptive strike ?
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 29 Aug, 2012

      Christof,

      you don"t have to thank me,Thanks to you I have my daily portion of reading fun.I think you would be very unsure if you are short and you see some collegues covering..To make matters worse 50 percent of the buba says yes the other part no.If you are a trader you are as blind as blind can be..Even the FED is thinking about not QE3 but QE endlessly.
      What would you do if you would be short both euro and PIIGS bonds.I would cover even though I have the best hand.I would even go long.

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_w3H-jMj1X28/SdLClqVmPtI/AAAAAAAAAMc/apfy87K4Rmc/s400/stock-market.jpg

      When will the german constitutional court rule?That is Draghi's and Merkel's main problemWell,not really.They could indeed strike before that. date That is in the worst unconstitutional but do they give a damn these days?They do not even need the ESM for that but the new EGM :).Just give the beast anoher name and even that problem is solved
      You are right The worst news a shorter would get is that the ECB not a currenct snake but flexible interest spread snake.
      This is so much more fun then ass kissing articles of Yves Echo's :)
  28. Theo 

    On 28 Aug, 2012

    Oh Sinnerman, where you gonna run to ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0KK0msnLhw&feature=related

    There is no Hole in One in Jackson . Merkel is going to China
  29. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 29 Aug, 2012

    well did you see the dexia files tonight Steven is even a bigger teller of untruths then Yves.Most be their catholic upbringing
    It will not be necessary to have a capital increase if they can keep their banking lincence .My God keeping their banking licence they have a negative equity of -0.45 euro per share or -0.45 euro per 0.25 and he think he can keep their banking lincence.
    I didn't even know that Dexia had a banking licence except the DCL part. and the Lux section of Dexia that also needs a capital increase badly.
    So we will have a Dexia capital increase after the elections and it must be bad.Also no news abouy France?Steven has 'forgotten' about France.Didn"t he say a few days earlier no capital increase if France doesnt........Not a word about that?Hmmmmmmmmm ;(
  30. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 29 Aug, 2012

    Do you remember the sex pistols.Not so bad ;)

    http://youtu.be/MQg2eSSSqOY

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