Taleb - When Money Dies

Published: October 12, 2010 - 22:02
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Today at Econopolis, we took some time off and went birdwatching in Brussels. We had the pleasure to listen to Nassim Taleb who apart from black swans gave us a lecture in (human) nature.


Taleb's main message was that we live in extremistan as far as financial markets are concerned. Black swans are unavoidable with the unfortunate huge consequences for the business cycle as a result : things are nowadays more thanever interconnected and the economics of "speed-internet" can cause bank runs such as was the case with Iceland. The point of the exercise for an investor - or economic agent in general - is to differentiate between "robust" and "fragile" environments. On this, Taleb already summed up 10 commandments; they carry a lot of straightforward guidance and topics (eg moral hazard, wrong bonus incentives) which were at the centre of today's debate :

http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/tenprinciples.pdf

In addition, Taleb made some very good points on (human) nature and the difference with today's economic thinking. Just a brief review on some of his aforisms :

1) Forecasting GDP is a form of mental treatment. It's a useless exercise and even meaningless when GDP is based upon debt creation

2) Economists don't like redundancies in contrast to nature (the elephant !) ; everything has to be optimized in true Ricardian spirit. Optimization annex specialization however make the system vulnerable and black swan prone (Irish famine 1860 example). So it's better to build in some spare unused capacity (read : better to be over-insured when it comes to portfolio investing).

3) Forecasting returns is even more dangerous. What does modern economic thinking concludes when an asset is "forecasted" to give a 6% return and borrowing cost are at 4% ? You borrow and create a leveraged position until the music stops to play and you are wiped out (so many examples here with currency carry trades, the US real estate catastrophe where prices could only go up, Lehman leveraged @ 42 and LTCM @ 50....)

4) Private debt in the end solves itself ; when private debt is transformed into public debt, the problem becomes permanent.

On the debt issue, Taleb was very straightforward during the session. He is very suspicious about the US and the way things are handled right now, with frequent non-friendly references to Bernanke & Geithner : they did not see it coming and they make the wrong conclusions using remedies which brought us into trouble in the first place. Last week, Taleb in Washington during an interview said the following : "How the world will look like in 25 years, I don't know ; I do know however that the FED won't exist anymore ; it will be replaced by something more organic, briefly, by something which makes more sense".

And this brings us back to today's reality. A lot of attention this evening on CNBC went to the FED minutes of the September's FOMC. The markets turned bullish after the release because it is quite clear that the FED is ready, willing and able to act on its next meeting early November. The only question remaining is how big QE2 will look like : half a trillion USD, 1 trillion, 5 trillion ? After the extensive coverage on the minutes, CNBC interviewed Adam Fergusson, author of "When Money Dies" ; His comments were quite illuminating :

1) Having embarked already on an adventure into unchartered territory, this is something which can easily get out of control ; where will this money printing lead to, where - and more importantly - how will it stop ? How terms like "callibrating" enter the QE debate is a mistery to me.

2) A Central bank's main pre-occupation should be to safeguard the currency in order to keep the public's trust. When central banks enter the stage of politics (unemployment target etc), we are in trouble.

When hearing such words, I can't stop wondering about things I overheard when doing some birdwatching in Brussels. It doesn't really sound "robust" to me.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/the-danger-of-printing-money/3xsyikwu

10 Comments

  1. Theo 

    On 14 Oct, 2010

    Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!"
    As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.
    "Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."
    Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves."
    It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: "what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"

    from "Thus spoke Zarathustra" by Frederich Nietzsche

    Given the "unbelievability" of the "God-hypothesis" Nietzsche himself seemed to favour the creation of a new set of values "faithful to the earth." This view perhaps being associable with the possibility of the "Ubermensch" (=Goldstandard?)
    1. Jeroen 

      On 15 Oct, 2010

      What exactly is your point, Theo?
      1. Theo 

        On 15 Oct, 2010

        I thought "my point" was pretty simple - I see a parallel between both... and the resulting (suggested) replacement.

        God is dead = Money is dead

        The interesting part is in what happens after!!!
        Apparently to some the Goldstandard would be the same as the idea of the Ubermensch...
        It would all depend on the underlying theory's suppositions

        Main point for those without imagination -
        "When Money dies" it would be so because we've killed it!!!
        1. Jeroen 

          On 15 Oct, 2010

          Thank you for your clarification Theo, I'm just a simple guy... .

          I'm not sure though we "killed" the money. "We" (a particular block in the West) just corrupted it in the form it exists today.

          What is killed, is the basis for faith in the current form of the IMFS. Let's not throw away "het kind met het badwater".

          Reality is neither black, nor white.

          What I try to explain is that - amongst other solutions - "gold" is often positioned as an "antithesis" of fiat money, which is not necessarly the case. It could very well function as an anchor (amongst other non-corrumpable tangibles if agreed upon), for multiple currencies floating around it. Of course, this would mean a fair redistribution of the metal, around the globe.

          I think the world is fed up with the unilateral privilige of the US to print the reserve currency at will. Especially because this power was abused. So either the choice is we - globaly - manage to find a "fair" monetary system, enabling all economies to compete in a "fair" way (no modern colonialism), or blocks keep trying to abuse the monetary system in order to persue their totalitarian agenda.

          Given the human capacity to produce mass destruction weaponary, a "de jure" new unfair system, imposed upon the world backed by the threat of military supremacy, in the end will lead to gigantic catastrophes.

          I think this has to be very clear for everybody, discussing IMFS reforms.
    1. Jeroen 

      On 15 Oct, 2010

      Theo, je sprak dus - via Nietzsche - over 'faith' & de 'gold standard'.

      Ik tracht een beetje te begrijpen waar je met je verhaaltje heen wil. Iets in mij zegt dat je goud opnieuw ridiculiseert, wat in dat geval je volste recht is. Indien dat zo is, vraag ik me af of je niet té eenzijdig naar goud kijkt. Om je meteen een blik op mijn standpunt te geven: ik geloof dus ook niet dat een "goudstandaard" zoals we die ooit kenden het antwoord op de instabiliteit van het IMS is.

      Met andere woorden, in deze 'moderne tijden' lijken fiatgeld, digitaal geld, 'plastic geld' me simpelweg niet meer weg te denken, en dat hoeft ook niet.

      Wat er dus ook gebeurt, ik geloof dus niet dat we ooit terug met "goud" in the pocket naar de bakker gaan. Tenzij de hele situatie verder escaleert en het proces van noodzakelijke veranderingen chaotisch verloopt. Dat zou een ramp zijn - ik denk niet dat iemand dat wil! - en ik kan moeilijk geloven dat het zover zou komen. Maar de menselijke natuur kennende, zou ik wel durven stellen: "hope for the best, prepare for the worst".

      De kern van de zaak voor mij is dat binnen het IMFS een disciplinerend kompas ontbreekt dat het objectief mogelijk maakt om op een eerlijke wijze globaal handel te drijven. Het kolonisatietijdperk is immers nog niet voorbij, toch niet als het van de US afhangt.

      In principe staan we al aan de vooravond van een globale "currency war", indien we er nog nie in aanbeland zijn. Dit is in mijn ogen een globale financiële 'derde wereldoorlog'. De manier om escalatie te vermijden is volgens mij goed gekend. Lees hiervoor even de volgende paper: http://www.bis.org/review/r100916a.pdf (Restoring faith in the international monetary system), geschreven door de gouverneur van de Bank of Canada.

      Daarin staat een opmerkelijke quote: "I will argue today that there is no miracle cure. Faith is required, but not in a barbarous relic or a utopian global central bank. Rather, countries must restore their faith in the adjustment process under the current system"

      en nog een beetje verder:

      "The common lesson of the gold standard, the Bretton Woods system, and the current hybrid system is that it is the adjustment mechanism, not the choice of reserve asset that ultimately matters"

      Dàt is de sleutel van het probleem, het "adjustment process" / "the adjustment mechanism". En daarmee zijn de contouren van het "battlefield" ook afgetekend. De wereld heeft stilletjes aan genoeg van "the exorbitant privilige" van de US die de $ at will kan bijdrukken en inflatie kan exporteren. Wie dicht bij het centrum zit kan ervan profiteren. Hoe meer men in de periferie zit, des te rampzaliger de gevolgen.

      Currency debasement / competitieve devaluatie / QE / currency war ... dat is eindig of leidt tot verdere catastrofes.

      Het probleem met de US, is dat ze de wereld al enkele keren een oor aangenaaid hebben. Er kan dus pas een oplossing komen indien er wereldwijd vertrouwen gesteld wordt in een genegocieerd "adjustment proces".

      Persoonlijk kan ik me bijna niet anders voorstellen dat goud daarin een rol zal moeten spelen (indien dit niet zo is, moet iemand me uitleggen waarom centrale banken zich nog met goud bezig houden). Maar er kan ook olie bij betrokken worden en god weet wat nog.

      Probleem met goud nu, is dat ook in die markt vandaag alle houvast weg is, niet in het minst door o.a. de creatie van "papiergoud".

      De augiasstal zal dus serieus uitgemest moeten worden, er gaan geen pijnloze oplossingen bestaan.

      Wat me vroeger al stoorde aan je opmerkingen, is dat jij goudadvokaten "fear mongerers" noemt. Dat is voor mij compleet over the top, omdat je de discussie ermee op z'n kop zet. Goud advokaten streven naar een meritocratie, naar een correct kompas, naar een gezond "collectief van individuen", wereldwijd, dit in tegenstelling tot totalitaristen, kolonialisten en collectivisten allerhande. Tenzij je uiteraard het streven van deze laatsten onderschrijft, dan kan ik je opinie vanuit dat standpunt beter kaderen.

      En voor mijn part: indien een correcte maatstaf / "adjustment mechanisme" kan bedacht/genegocieerd worden om dat doel (correct kompas) te bereiken, zonder dat goud daarin een rol speelt: even goed!

      Ik denk dus dat het in de discussie belangrijk is om middel en doel niet om te keren. En duidelijk de lijn te kiezen waarlangs iedereen zich wenst te positioneren.

      Spaarders die vandaag niet totaal geschoren willen worden, zijn vandaag genoodzaakt om een alternatief voor currencies te zoeken. Sommigen beseffen steeds beter dat "tastbare en onvergankelijke" zaken misschien vandaag beter de rol van "store of value" vervullen dan valuta (die die belofte niet meer kunnen waarmaken). Hoe meer dat inzicht zal doorsijpelen to bij de gewone man, des te riskanter de hele situatie wordt.

      Dat besef wordt NIET aangewakkerd door goudadvokaten, daarvoor wordt goud nog meer dan genoeg gemarginaliseerd in de mainstream. Dat besef sluipt binnen door currency debasement in klaarlichte dag! Dus ook hier: let er op om oorzaak en gevolg niet te verwarren.

      Tot daar, je had mijn standpunt nog even te goed sinds enkele weken.
  2. Yannick Verdyck 

    On 14 Oct, 2010

    Een echte parel: "When Money Dies: The nightmare of the Weimar Collapse." van Adam Fergusson

    http://www.amazon.com/When-money-dies-nightmare-collapse/dp/0718302141

    Meer en meer mensen lijken hem gelezen te hebben Warren Buffet, Marc Faber, Art Cashin, Jim Rogers, Nassim Taleb, Eric King, James Dines, Jim Puplava, ...

    Zie dat je hem te pakken krijgt en lees hem! Ik kan een zoeker wel aan een versie helpen als het moet.
    1. JanS 

      On 14 Oct, 2010

      fyi

      http://university.unitedstatesliberty.org/654/textbooks/adam-fergusson-when-money-dies-nightmare-of-the-weimar-collapse/
    1. David De Ridder 

      On 14 Oct, 2010

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/38243922/Warren_Buffett_to_CNBC_Never_Heard_of_German_Hyperinflation_Book_Until_Report_He_s_Recommending_It
  3. Goldonomic 

    On 15 Oct, 2010

    De staatsobligatiezeepbel zal inderdaad klappen, en dat wordt het begin van de hyperinflatoire episode. Het recent vertaalde artikel Het Gezicht van Hyperinflatie, door Gonzalo Lira, is in dat opzicht erg de moeite.
  4. Hier auf Rasenmäherroboter 

    On 9 Apr, 2013

    I usually do not drop a leave a response, but I browsed a few of the remarks on
    Taleb - When Money Dies - Econoshock.be. I actually do have a couple of questions for you if you tend not
    to mind. Could it be just me or do a few of these remarks appear as if they are written by brain dead folks?

    :-P And, if you are posting on other social sites, I
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