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"I give you nice price !!"
Whenever you hear these words, tourist, buyer or businessman, be aware !! The last couple of weeks, we have been focusing a lot on developments in China and this doesn't relate to the sovereign debt crisis in Europe. No, it concerns China domestically and the various troublesome business news flashes we receive from all kind of sources.
On the Chinese property bubbles and ghost towns, we know it's there. And we also know that public investment is for 50% responsible for GDP growth contribution, a pace with current growth levels not sustainable nor desirable because it will lead to more and more inefficient capital allocation (AKA the law of decreasing marginal efficiency, this time on a different scale ). But there is more. Since last year, several whistleblowers have warned for increasing tensions in financial markets, with the unofficial "shadow banking system" getting out of control. And we have posted as well on the letters of credit with copper serving as collateral. Some weeks ago, the Chinese authorities admitted that there was a problem with non-performing loans of regional public authorities. So they brought out in the open and took it on the central books, but the official number is very likely to diverge from reality and the real problems.
This week, we hear however other disturbing sounds, this time from private sector origin :
"The client is a very large commodity seller who sells massive amounts to China. This company typically sells its product to Chinese private companies that use letters of credit. Prior to 2008, this client's Chinese customers pretty much always paid. Then in 2008, they started contesting the letters of credit and seeking lower prices than that to which they had agreed. Soon after that, they started rejecting the shipments entirely. My client told me that in the last 3-4 weeks, nearly all of his non SOE (State Owned Entity) Chinese clients have contested the letters of credit and have sought lower prices of around twenty percent. They are confessing to my client that they cannot get loans and without loans they cannot pay so much. If it were just that, I might chalk it up to problems in one industry, but it is not just that. Chinese companies that are going out of business or believe they are going out of business have an annoying tendency to ship bad or fake or no product at all. In 2008, pretty much every week we were getting calls from companies saying that the product they had ordered just was not coming. We handled one case where a company had bought about a million dollars of fish and received containers of cheap bricks surrounded by fish. That fake shipment was the dying gasp of a company that ceased to exist. We have started to get those same sort of calls in large numbers again". Chinalawblog - China, smells like 2008
"Businessmen have been forced to turn to private lenders for help in the wake of tighter central government loan policies introduced late last year to fight inflation. The higher interest rates that are demanded by the underground lenders can become particularly onerous when the businesses do not run as well as expected. Many SMEs have turned to private sources and even loan sharks, who charge up to 180% annual interest. However, most of the SMEs' profit is less than 10%, so borrowing from loan sharks would amount to attempted suicide. Most of the company heads who have absconded were involved in manufacturing and had borrowed hundreds of millions of yuan from banks and private creditors. Wenzhou has about 360,000 small and medium-sized enterprises, producing a wide range of consumer goods - from shoes, cigarette lighters to spectacles - whose low cost has helped to make China the world's workshop. Last Wednesday, Hu called the company's chief executive officer to say that he was unable to sustain the company any longer. He is now believed to be in the United States, according to the 21st Century Business Herald. In July, Wenzhou's underground banks processed 110 billion yuan, up about 40% from the 80 billion yuan processed in the same month a year earlier and equal to more than one-third of the city's entire 2010 GDP of 292.56 billion yuan, according to the Wenzhou branch of the People's Bank of China. About 89% of families or individuals in the city and about 57% of enterprises had either borrowed from or made deposits to non-bank finance companies in last year's second quarter, the most recent figures available from the People's Bank of China". Olivia Chung, Hong Kong
So there is in fact something to worry about. We used to say that when Paris sneezes, Brussels gets a cold. These days however when Bejing sneezes, chances are that influenza goes global.
18 Comments
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 28 Oct, 2011
Chris-Tof,
Admit it,you are just a grumpy 'old' men like me.You have lost Faith.Don't you know that China will save us.Don't you know China did not say No when we called for financial help.So if China did not say No it must mean that they sayed Yes.Believe,believe.If not you will face the alasness of things and the unbearable lightness of being.
Young man,there is something very wrong with your lack of belief .Don't tell me that a belief system is but non sense and that they draw people in and hold them captive so they become willing slaves .and that if you are sucked in a belief system, it can be extremely difficult to think your way clear again.-
Christof
On 28 Oct, 2011
When it comes to money, and in this case big time, there is no free lunch; and certainly when it comes to chinaman. Saving europe will have an opportunity cost big time my friend, quid pro quo clarice (hannibal lecter)
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 28 Oct, 2011
So,if you do not start to believe you will start a series of unstoppable events.Our brains will start to grow again after 30.000 years of evolutionary shrinking (a true fact).If they start to grow again what will happen?No longer we will have dogmatism.Soccer will become unpopular and We will start
to believe that the only ones who can safe us is ourself and not the government.That is dangereous because the next thing you will do is to start ask silly questions.You will start to nag our trusted leaders and the timely newspeak by always asking'Why?'.Even I can't stand the fact when people always ask 'why'.Very annoying and not good for the team spirit.
So young man,you need to be punished.Your punishment,listen to this song one thousand times.
http://youtu.be/v7NlS-f29xM
Be a good sport,start to believe in the system,stop feeding people this revolutionary non sense ,enjoy your favourite TV programm 'Dancing with the stars' and after that go to sleep with your wife and dream that you are trully,the captain of your soul.-
rondo
On 28 Oct, 2011
@Nacht&Nebel : your broken English is Chinese to me. Graag uw commentaren in behoorlijk Nederlands aub.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 28 Oct, 2011
rondo,
Don't worry.Your chinese is english to me.
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Christof
On 28 Oct, 2011
I am very much the captain of myself and pretty much aware of what is going on, trust me, i have been in these markets for quite some time, and even successful when the going went tough, believe me on this ons. As for my faith in the system ? Does it really make a difference. Segundo, i cherish hope as a stated in the post 26/10 blog, not in the least because i have two kids making my life beautiful, and i sincerily hope our leaders don't screw up their future, they deserve much better than that
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Pieter
On 29 Oct, 2011
One more reason not to rely on the "leaders" is exactly the fact you have 2 kids.
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Pieter
On 29 Oct, 2011
That is why i live in CH. The place where politicians have the least power. Rightly so.
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rondo
On 29 Oct, 2011
@Pieter en @Christof : waarom eens geen 'draad' over emigratie(mogelijkheden) ? in het zog van Grieken, Ieren, ...
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christof Govaerts
On 30 Oct, 2011
Inderdaad, waarom niet ; dit is waarschijnlijk 1 van de weinige facetten van deze crisis waarin vrij verkeer echt naar voren komt (jammer genoeg) en de Ieren zijn dit trouwens gewoon over de eeuwen heen. Ook nu : arbeidsmarkt ligt plat => verder studeren of emigreren. Bij de Grieken lijkt dit nog niet echt op gang te zijn gekomen maar de wanhoop is dan weer duidelijk aanwezig bij de stijging van de zelfmoord percentages
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Theo
On 29 Oct, 2011
There will be definitely fewer yuan millionaires to ride the Dragon next year.
In China the situation is ripe for development of local private equity and M&A.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 29 Oct, 2011
Christof,
I am sure that you are a succesful man,even wealthy because you have surrounded yourself with the things that really matter.Unlike so many, you do not peddle the word of 'God' for profit.Wealth is not measured in millions because feeling wealthy is a subjective,a state of mind .Being a wealthy man is not about adding things to your life but about reducing and concentrating on the things that really matter.In creating an abundance in all areas of your personal life.Only a minority of us seem to understand that once your basic necessities are covered that you are free to choose how you want to live, which experiences you want to have in your life, whether you want to follow what your environment expects of you.So we have a choice and with that choice comes a certain kind of freedom.But if we have the freedom of choice why do so many of us become a slaves to their possessions and commitments yet some of them have much more money to cover their basic necessities .So there must be something intensely subjective here about the feeling of freedom and money.Strange that the illusion of having things or money is relatieve.For some reason we only feel that we are rich or happier if we have more then our vicinity.-
christof Govaerts
On 30 Oct, 2011
@NundN : AMEN, i knew we would understand each other ; i'am not here for the money, that's for sure. On your philosophical point of view : I see where you got the mustard and it goes all the way to JD Mill ; I like the idea, the only trouble is twofold : as I blogged very recently on binary choices, freedom is scary (existentialist Kierkegaard, Jaspers) ; on top of that, making free choices on a mass scale - meaning all individuals - is more than just an invisible hand : it requires agents with a very high sense of ethical conscience : and that'w why for me free markets are bound to go wrong again and again and again
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 29 Oct, 2011
Having said that it is quit amazing how we bend reality with our mind.It starts at birth,we see every newly borns as a perfect little beings.I am amazed when I read quotes like:A small child is not aware of its innocence. His or her innocent nature is completely unconscious. A small child is absolutely pure; he dwells in the state of purity before impurities are manifested. But soon, the child's purity and innocence will begin to disappear.That can't be true.We are all products of nature and if we are just that then surely it must be about the survival of the fittest.Von Mises was right when stated that:Man is born an asocial and antisocial being. The newborn child is a savage. Egoism is his nature. Only the experience of life and the teachings of his parents, his brothers, sisters, playmates, and later of other people force him to acknowledge the advantages of social cooperation and accordingly to change his behavior.So if Von Mises was right doesn't that mean that the family home is 'the first indoctrination center' giving the newly born a set of values,a set of rules and a reality how the infant will look towards society?That could explain that being unemployed becomes a family bussiness to some groups within society..
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 29 Oct, 2011
So the ability to be a succes in life depends in on how we are raised?That is not fair,the world owes us the pursuit of happiness without the pursuit (that is what this new indignatos movement is telling us.).How selective of us if we believe that.We have our fall guys.They are called the Big Bed Banks and China.But if the occupy wall street movement is right that globalization and big money are the real evils then why is their kind of justice so racial,so selective?If the average american has a right to life a good life why then can't his chinese cousin have that same right?And is halting globalization not the same as denying that chinese cousin that same right?So the world 'owing' us something because of a subjective sense of personal significance is an emotional aspect of the human condition but it has no objective philosophical bearing . Society should offer protection of rights, choice and opportunity and the rest is up to you.
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FV
On 30 Oct, 2011
nog een ideetje voor een 'draad' :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054913/Europe-war-2018-As-Angela-Merkel-says-euro-meltdown-spark-battle.html
http://bruxelles.blogs.liberation.fr/coulisses/2011/10/fiction-1-leuro-enterr%C3%A9-lex-ue-bascule-dans-le-chaos.html#more
Trog-oorlog, iemand !?-
christof Govaerts
On 30 Oct, 2011
Lijkt mij zeer aannemelijk, l'histoire se repete ; the mess we made can't be solved op een ordentelijke manier. Dus oorlog is een optie, zeker wanneer protectionistische reflexen optreden zoals nu het geval is. Of wanneer sociale spanningen onhoudbaar worden : de dag dat brood onbetaalbaar wordt is de dag dat revolutie uit de loop van een geweer komt ; en in bepaalde gevallen denk ik dat we dichtbij die dag reeds staan
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christof Govaerts
On 30 Oct, 2011
U bent een fortuinlijk man, mijn voorkeur gaat echter naar het Noorden ; Zwitsers iets te saai voor mij en mijn ervaring leert ook niet echt symathieke mensen ; immigranten maken dan wel het verschil zeker ;-)
















