Econoblogging: Germany (Belgium?) versus the US

Published: April 21, 2009 - 12:01
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Felix Salmon wrotea column for Reuterson economic blogs (hat tip : marcvdb). He concludes that while economic blogs are highly regarded and used by US policy makers, they remain marginal in countries like Germany (and I guess Belgium). He then gives ten reasons why German (Belgian ?) econoblogs have a disadvantage. He concludes:

"My feeling is that the probability of an interesting econoblogosphere emerging in Germany is very close to zero".

Why? Here are his ten possible reasons.

  1. The blogosphere is fundamentally egalitarian, to the point at which the young and even the completely anonymous can become A-listers. At the same time, highly respected professors and experts often find themselves ignored, perhaps because they hedge themselves too much or are simply too boring to pay attention to. Germany, by contrast, is fundamentally hierarchical.

  2. In Germany, qualifications matter, a lot. People spend decades amassing various qualifications, and when you have a certain qualification, you make sure everybody knows it. If you don’t have a piece of paper qualifying you to opine on a certain subject, then you have no grounds for inflicting your opinions on everybody else. Similarly, readers want to be reassured of a writer’s qualifications before paying attention to what that writer is saying. The blogosphere is the opposite: opinions are judged on their own merit, rather than on the basis of the qualifications of the person holding them.

  3. In the US, where the econoblogosphere is at its liveliest, we’ve now reached the point at which a majority of policymakers, at least on the economics side of things, are paying attention to what the blogosphere is saying. Take someone as self-assured and important as Larry Summers, the most important economist in the Obama administration. He’s a big reader of blogs, and not just those by big-name technocrats: he also reads blogs written by people who would never normally have any voice in the government. That kind of respect for the voice of the people is fundamentally American, and is not particularly German.

  4. The skills needed to be a great blogger are very different from the skills needed to be a great economist or banker. In career-minded Germany, at the margin one will tend to cultivate important professional skills rather than much less important blogging skills.

  5. In the blogosphere, it’s of paramount importance that you are wrong, at least occasionally: if you’re never wrong, you’re never interesting. It’s one of the biggest obstacles to entering the blogosphere in any country: people are scared of writing something which makes them seem stupid. That fear might be particularly strong in Germany, where public pronouncements tend to be carefully thought through. If you’re writing about something you don’t know a lot about, you’ll be afraid to have missed something obvious; if you’re writing about something youdoknow a lot about, then you have a lot of reputation to lose if you make a mistake.

  6. The German way of doing things tends to be methodical and systematic and comprehensive, while the bloggy way of doing things tends to be scattershot andad hocand hard to pin down.

  7. Bloggers tend to situate themselves on the outside looking in; they take pride in their outsider status, and often picture themselves as speaking truth to power. In Germany, declaring yourself to be an outsider in that way is not a route to respectability, and respectability is something that a very large number of Germans aspire to.

  8. The US econoblogosphere is driven by tenured economics professors, who love nothing more than to share ideas and debate with each other online. Germany doesn’t have nearly as many economics departments, and it certainly doesn’t have hotbeds of blogging like George Mason University, which can then spread to the rest of academia.

  9. Germans aren’t going to work without being paid to do so, and blogging seems suspiciously like work. Insofar as Americans do make money from blogging, it’s generally in an indirect way, through the extra fame and publicity that a blog brings. Since a German blog is very unlikely to bring extra fame or publicity, there’s not much reason to cultivate one.

  10. Germans take their vacations extremely seriously, and it’s hard to take a vacation from blogging.

10 Comments

  1. Koen Robeys 

    On 21 Apr, 2009

    Zou dat nu niet gewoon te maken hebben met de grootte van het taalgebied? "Kritische massa" lijkt me een begrip dat in de sociale wetenschappen minstens even bruikbaar is als in de natuurwetenschappen. Attitudes tegenover vakantie, daarentegen, als causale factor... Ik weet het niet, hoor.

    Zuiver intuïtief heb ik altijd gevoeld dat blogs op zich nooit veel konden voorstellen. Blogs kunnen (in dat beeld) alleen maar iets voorstellen wanneer ze focuspunten in een web zijn. Met andere woorden, er moet meer interactie zijn. Maar daarvoor moeten er natuurlijk wel eerst blogs *zijn* waarmee het de moeite is om mee in interactie te gaan (mea culpa, ik weet het: "te veel, te moeilijk, te lang en te luid", mea maxima culpa...). Kortom: terug naar de grootte van het taalgebied als verklarende factor...
  2. Geert 

    On 21 Apr, 2009

    @Koen: ik denk dat het met meer dan het taalgebied heeft te maken. Openstaan voor verandering, het openstaan voor alternatieve informatiebronnen, het hierarchische. Ik denk dat het toch valabele punten zijn.

    In ieder geval bewijst deze blog dat het kan. Er is nog steeds groeiende aandacht, en het bereik van deze community wordt groter.

    Ik vind trouwens de US blogs soms té academisch, wat de leesbaarheid ondermijnt. De erg toegankelijke economische blogs zijn op 1 hand te tellen.
  3. MarcVdB 

    On 21 Apr, 2009

    @ Geert

    De invloed van jouw eigen blog zal nog moeten blijken. Maar je hebt alvast het voordeel dat je al voor de start van je blog een bekend en gewaardeerd econoom was. Puntje 1 & 2 lijken me dus relatief minder van toepassing op jou. Misschien is je houding tov puntje 5 nog het interessantste. Je hebt al enkele controversiële standpunten ingenomen, maar de meest controversiële bijdragen komen toch van guest-posts of een louter verhalen wat iemand anders zegt. Voor mij mag het kruidiger, maar doe vooral niets wat niet in je natuur ligt. Ook had ik graag gezien dat er NOG Vlaamse/Belgische/Nederlandse econoblogs zouden komen. Als je er goeie weet mag je ze altijd promoten.

    marc
  4. Geert 

    On 21 Apr, 2009

    @Marcvdb: ik denk dat het nuttig zou zijn om meer mensen een paswoord te geven om posts te creëren.
    Het moet echter passen in de contekst van de blog.
    Zoals ik steeds heb gesteld, is de kwaliteit van deze blog te danken aan de kwaliteit van de community. En dat uit zich zeer sterk in de comments.
  5. Roland Legrand 

    On 21 Apr, 2009

    Ik denk dat de argumenten van Salmon hout snijden. Maar het is niet omdat het op dit moment nog zo werkt, dat het ook zo zal blijven.

    Ik hoop op een inhaalbeweging in continentaal Europa. Het gaat over meer dan Duitsland en België - ik vind bijvoorbeeld ook in Frankrijk weinig échte blogs, dikwijls gaat het daar over veredelde columns.

    Voor een blog moeten er onder meer links zijn naar andere sites en blogs, naar andere meningen en auteurs.

    Nog niet zo heel lang geleden waren er helemaal geen eco-blogs in België, nu komt het wel op gang.

    De tijd kan niet veraf meer zijn dat academici beseffen dat bloggen noodzakelijk wordt om geloofwaardig te zijn in het publieke debat, dat kandidaat-journalisten en researchers een heel goede uitleg zullen moeten hebben om tegenover hun potentiële werkgevers te rechtvaardigen waarom ze geen blog hebben.
  6. NDoms 

    On 21 Apr, 2009

    I think the article warrants the perspective from a different angle.
    It may very well be true that the number of econoblogs in Europe fades in comparison with the US. I do not doubt that. However, Americans (in general) are addicted to blogs and other internet websites.
    Over time, the quantity has most definitely replaced the quality of such, so it is no longer important WHAT someone writes as long as they write something thereby diluting the importance of the blog.
    I find that the quality of European blogs is much higher than here in the US.
    If we are using the internet as a form of communication and to exchange opinions and ideas as a form of discussion, then i believe that such should and can be done based on knowledge, experience and the quality of content, but not based on volume or numbers.

    Kind regards from a fellow Belgian in the US.
  7. Theo 

    On 22 Apr, 2009

    I think the issue is a lot more fundamental than that. It actually exposes the way our Democracy works.
    Blogging is not a phenomenon, it's a product of the evolution of a society.

    Last week, on this very blog, something very interesting happened: when Geert called for action on the TEA party most comments were non-committal and then there was someone who just barged in to warn us to be careful about voicing our opinions!
    This is a goldmine study for sociologists and politologists... if they haven't done it since Obama ran his presidential campaign that is.

    Blogging is about expressing opinions on relevant subjects. The emphasis here is on personal opinion. Many people in Europe just don't have a personal view on a variety of relevant subjects. The majority... their opinion is shaped by the opinion of others: the Media, local media that is.
    In contrast, blogging is about what they call in the US the grassroots.
    Thus we have a contrast in opinion making/shaping process: top down v. bottom up.

    This contrast is undeniable in society in general due to the internet. The balance is shifting, but what we call Anglo-Saxon countries have a more wide spread views on relevant subjects than us here.
    That one TEA party blog shows clearly that the majority even among us blogging don't think that their one "voice" counts for much out there. On the other hand that one person who barged in on us to tell us off like misbehaving kids shows the concern of some about the power of ideas coming out from blogs like this one.

    The Media sphere is changing... as we previously discussed here too. TV news takes so many of its stories from YouTube!
    Online newspapers are in bigger "circulation" than printed papers. The NYTimes this week won 5 Pulitzers but is in the red financially. The blogs on "Opinion" are being answered by over 200 people every time.

    Opinion used to be shaped by the Top and disseminated to the Bottom via official media channels.
    I had never heard of Twitter before the terrorists attacks on Mumbai, when even CNN was reporting via the tweets and the Flicks of locals on the ground. One single guy had set up a Twitter account and was coordinating communications for foreigners, giving information about what was happening on the ground in real time and posting reports from local media! He even posted the lists of dead and injured from the various hospitals around town.

    More interestingly I read the following article in IHT. It's a story from South Korea!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/world/asia/21blogger.html?_r=1&ref=asia

    The guys with the diplomas and qualifications let us down... for political reasons mostly. In a discussion on the IMF recently with an economics professor I told him "I don't question the work economist did, rather I question what was done with it" Later on in an interview with the BBC Mr. Strauss-Kahn himself admitted that as much.
    Bloggers have followers because they are close to the people. The more people learn to voice their opinions, the more confidence they gain in themselves. This is also part of the decision-making process. When people are able to do that, they weigh in the advice they receive and are able to take individual actions based on their personal decisions.
    In horse racing we say "Put your money where your mouth is".
  8. Scrutinizer 

    On 23 Apr, 2009

    @Theo: Interessant dat verhaal van die Koreaan. Vooral omdat ik iemand ken die weliswaar geen eigen blog heeft maar verder bijna een tweelingbroer van die Koreaan zou kunnen zijn en die -bewust onder meerdere namen- op een Nederlandse site nagenoeg dezelfde soort opinies verkondigt en eveneens de collapse van Lehman voorspelde en ook over voedsel voorraden aanleggen adviseert. Eens kijken wanneer hij ooit van zijn bed wordt gelicht. Zoals Gregorius Nekschot - of dacht je dat wij wel vrijheid van meningsuiting kenden? Nee toch?
    En volgens mij is dat het grote verschil met de VS. Daar kennen ze noch vrijheid van meningsuiting, hier in Europa niet.
    Hier kom je bv. al in de problemen als je een niet bestaande entiteit beledigt (of toch een waarva het bestaan nooit wetenschappelijk bewezen is) of hem durft af te beelden. De aanhangers van deze illusie voelen zich dan plaatsvervangend beledigd en dan wordt een orgaan als het CGKR ingeschakeld.
    Dus Geert, jongen, pas op wat je schrijft. Vooral als het ingaat tegen het establishment, want de grens van wat wel en niet kan is een glijdende schaal. Voor je 't weet wordt het als bedreiging voor de staatsveiligheid gezien om steunoperaties, oplopende deficits, belastingverhogingen, hyperinflatie en ander officieel (wan)beleid te bekritiseren en wellicht eindig je als die Koreaan.
  9. Theo 

    On 23 Apr, 2009

    @ Scrutinizer

    Lol Lol Lol

    I have no illusions about the freedom of speech or otherwise. No worries... this is an economics blog and from what I read in the paper this morning, staatsveiligheid apparently doesn't have the resources to protect Belgian economic interests... black swan or poisson d'Avril? It's a different species for sure!

    The forel season has apparently started... let's hope the police is busy making sure the fish is not jumping over de taalgrens, unless they've been sent to do quality control at Hoegaarden.
  10. autoversicherung 

    On 20 Oct, 2010

    last week our group held a similar talk about this topic and you point out something we haven't covered yet, appreciate that.

    - Kris

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