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Destroying the recovery ex-ante ?

A funny thing happened this week with a remarkable change of tactics inside the FOMC, the rate decision organ of the Federal Reserve. Whilst almost every one was anticipating some form of new (h)opium to please the bulls, the minutes of the March meeting showed exactly the opposite. Some might argue that these minutes from the FED desperately try to achieve a virtuous confidence circle on the economy by stating "no need for stimulus". I think there's something else going on, ie commodity trading annex correlations, and the fact that the QE efforts undermine the recovery by its side effects on this particular asset class.
This week, may be some missing pieces of this puzzle have been provided by a study published on voxu : http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/7841
It goes a little bit deeper into the recent rise of "financialisation" of commodity market, more specifically, into the high correlation between equity indices and commodities since the Lehman fall. Most of all, it focuses on the rise of high frequency trading on various commodity markets. And the numbers are impressive indeed as shown by the following chart :

Simultaneously, the authors also discover a persistent significant correlation between commodity prices and stock market returns since 2007, most significant on oil but also on other more soft commodities :


And then we come of course to the following question : does this matter ? I am afraid very much so because commodity movements have been brutal with considerable volatility. But at the end of the day, this price volatility determines the price of what you and I are served upon our daily plate. And what others in the world can no longer afford to consume for that matter as well (Arab spring rings a bell ?). According to my opinion, the authors rightfully conclude :
In our view, this finding adds to the growing empirical evidence supporting the idea that the financialisation of commodity markets has an impact on the price determination process. Indeed, the recent price movements of commodities are hardly justified on the basis of changes of their own supply and demand. I n fact, the strong correlations between different commodities and the S&P 500 at very high frequency are really unlikely to reflect economic fundamentals since these indicators do not vary at such speed. Moreover, given the large selection of commodities we analyse, we would expect to have different behaviours due to their seasonality, fundamentals, and specific physical market dynamics. Yet, we do not observe these differences at any frequency. In addition, the fact that these correlations at high frequencies started during the 2008 financial shock provides additional support for the idea that there are financial-based factors behind this structural change. Therefore, the very existence of cross-market correlations at high frequencies favours the presence of automated trading strategies operated by robots on multiple assets. Our analysis suggests that commodity markets are more and more prone to events in global financial markets and more likely to deviate from their fundamentals. This result is important for at least two reasons. First, it questions the diversification strategy and portfolio allocation in commodities pursued by financial investors. Second, it shows that, as commodity markets become financialised, they are more prone to external destabilising effects. In addition, their tendency to deviate from their fundamentals exposes them to sudden and sharp corrections.
And it matters of course for other reasons : commodity inflation is bad for purchasing power, bad for corporate profit margins and hence the recovery. So after all it might not be such a bad idea to stop the artificial support of the stock market by QE ad infinitum : A red rag on commodity bulls and algo trading is not what the world economy is looking for right now.
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christof Govaerts
On 6 Apr, 2012
@ joeri
And as I noticed too late, they apparently refer to the same source. My apologies for that.
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christof Govaerts
On 6 Apr, 2012
@joeri
I have my bloomberg sources and as I said the vox eu study. On WTI, there is of course a disconnect with the rest because we have a wild card here, ie Tel Aviv and Teheran. Nevertheless, the zerohedge is additional confo for the point I am trying to make : these markets no longer reflect fundamentals and make matters worse -
Jfv
On 6 Apr, 2012
The markets have not reflected fundamentals ever since 2008. If you use massive liquidity to cover bad bets/debts and pretend everything is honky-dory ... you are living a lie. The fraud (not really another word for it) is only getting bigger and bigger. At some stage they will no longer be able to hide it in plain sight. So my question is ... how do we prepare? We have often discussed the lack of an exit strategy basically since there may not even be one anymore. But if we sit down and we think from the top down we may come up with something. The last few weeks there have been several orchestrated attacks on precious metals along with planned bad press. Funny though that central banks (private shareholders of FED/ECB) have become net buyers or even hoarders of physical bullion. If you compare the bullion market to the paper market you get an idea of what is occurring.
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FV
On 7 Apr, 2012
Still, like I said in a previous blog/post, I expect these rigged market prices to be set offside by primitive barter, as already functioning on the China-India/Iran axis (gold for crude), most presumably regardless of fiat price negotiations. Once Joe Sixpack too understands commodity (annex food) prices are manipulated, you’ll get smaller scaled axes : I grow tomatoes, my neighbour raises chickens (= eggs, meat), low transport costs included …
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Jfv
On 7 Apr, 2012
@ FV
Yes in essence I agree it is just a matter of time before the masses come to realize what has been going on, or is it? Many are clueless and others simply live in denial because it is easier that way. Most don't have any savings whatsoever and live from paycheck to paycheck further burdened by mortgages, car loans etc...people will only wake up to what is happening when they are going hungry.
Though I agree wholeheartedly with the underlying premise of barter, I severely doubt its efficiency in large-scale human societies, unless of course we revert back to the 1800s or so. Also one needs to have something to barter with ... not everyone does. And in the bad times, many revert to stealing or violence to obtain what they need/want.
High Frequency Trading (HFT) should not be legal to start with. How is it that the largest banks have computer systems directly connected to the Stock Exchanges ? Everyone knows this allows them to front run the market and "make" the market (read skim off millions of dollars in a fraudulent manner). How do these people sleep at night ? They just made a few million on rice and as a direct consequence people starve in some other part of the world. How do you live with that? -
Theo
On 7 Apr, 2012
Is this study and what it shows a surprise?
This is a serious question. I am not being funny.
majority of economics & finance theories being taught are based on Newtonian mechanics, while the markets operate based on Quantum mechanics.
A Newtonian physicist makes predictions based on clockwork expectations, and calls those rational.
A Quantum physicist makes predictions based on probabilities of interactions between systems
What we have above is a very clear example of a bunch of idiots trying to use Quantum physics to fit into Newtonian physics watch (bench marking)... in order to give investors the impression that they have worked very hard for their fees - Oh, look we have done so and so against whatever benchmark they have chosen.
Photoelectric experiment was done in 1905 and the effect was explained by Einstein (birth of quantum theory) - the entire effect (movement of the gold leaf) depends on the cooler, not on the light emitted. Quantum electrodynamics (QED) came out in 1940s - it explains the interactions of matter particles with one another via the electromagnetic force (as opposed to gravity) -
Jfv
On 7 Apr, 2012
Quantum or Newtonian... it remains legalized fraud. In light of what has come before the study's results are not a surprise but rather a forgone conclusion. It can be argued that our whole economic system is based on a sense of entitlement that the elite have developed (and perfected I might add) over the course of time. That is exactly why people such as De Graeve and other CEOs cannot see anything wrong in receiving massive bonuses whilst laying off a substantial part of their workforce. After all they are fully entitled (by contractual agreement) to that money, and quite frankly they do not give a rat's "behind" about what happens to the rest of humanity, Again a potentially very long discussion ....
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Theo
On 8 Apr, 2012
Actually our economic system is based around the abstraction of "value" and the price mechanism... which determines the value of labor and is the holy cow of trade unions and not the elites. Unless you tell me they are all followers of Marx - that is just a different elite though.
Who in Europe had the brilliant idea to link the price of gas to that of oil... and all else to oil???
And how much of our soft commodities consumption is actually contract free - the majority of it is produced and sold to global conglomerates and national state owned trading companies under long term contracts and is thus not priced at "market prices". So what exactly do market prices in soft commodities really mean to us??? Who buys sugar in the open market in Europe? The European Union has long term contracts with sugar producing countries. So what exactly are future and derivative contracts in soft commodities really used for? Certainly not to put food on our tables!
Trade unions cheat their members buy selling them abstractions (purchasing power) and empty dreams (pensions).
Finance people trying to counter that go into the false logic that they can escape that with an even higher level of value abstraction of the goods workers would have to buy with their labor.
Both end up losers trying to outwit one another.
We either move towards an economic model for the 21st century or we will go back to the 19th century.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 7 Apr, 2012
Perhaps the euro isn't worth a dime anymore.What is the worth of having gigantic super bazooka if you don't have a silver bullet?
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 8 Apr, 2012
How do you explain these european economic policies to the dummest amongst us the newtonian way(to me and Charles La Farce and Son)?Hmmmmmmmmmm?If economic growth is a race car going forward with Charles La Farce and Son behind the wheel trying to win a race.Charles La Farce can either give more gas (injecting more money in the system) or step on the brakes to slow down the car (more taxation).
Why the hell is Charles La Farce and Son complaining that the car isn't going anywhere when he hits the gas full throttle while he is braking full force at the same time?Why is he blaming the car company (Mr Market) then that the engine block is blowed up real good after only one race without moving an inch ?
Some music maestro.:http://youtu.be/KisHhIRihMY
Happy easter pageans.http://youtu.be/f06eA1TFj1o-
Philippe
On 11 Apr, 2012
There might be one valid newtonian explantion : that Charles La farce and son actually do not want to win the race. They want to destroy the car. They are employed by another company, that manages bets on car races.-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 11 Apr, 2012
you mean that Charles La farce and son has solded us out to the french like all the others before him?
That explanation is to real to be true.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 8 Apr, 2012
The "Uncertainty" of the Quantum Economics over all seems much more "Certain" then currently used system by the US and other Governments who are pouring money into their Monetary systems and playing with their Fiscal policies: the "trickle down" approach of self-adjusting economics very well explained by Karl Marks is so deeply engraved in their philosophies thus even when billions are poured in Ethanol subsidies,Farming subsidies and through tax brakes and direct subsidies they the Governments call all of this approach anything but not with the real name: "Re-distribution of Wealth"; the taboo of Capitalistic philosophy does not allow their real actions to be called with real names and that as a consequence of the inadequate distribution of wealth by the so called Capitalism and its cyclical dialectical self-adjusting powers are the reasons for their interference into markets' balance of Demand to Supply. The Governments from one side are proclaiming their oath to Capitalism and at the same time braking all the rules of the "trickle down" approach of it. By quietly socializing their economies the Governments are doing what they only know: manipulating public opinion by posing as ideologically correct when trying to handle a very difficult economic situation of dis-balanced Demand to Supply Markets of a Globalizing Market.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 8 Apr, 2012
http://ezinearticles.com/?Quantum-Economics-and-Why-it-is-So-Difficult-For-Governments-to-Accept-it?&id=3299646
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Theo
On 8 Apr, 2012
There is a reason why Marx and his theories of how anthropology and economics resulted in class wars are in stark contrast to Darwinian evolution theories.
Marx theories are based on closed systems = rural communities (that is where communism comes from). Socialism is also based on a closed system and when it comes into interaction with open systems, it collapses.
Darwin explained evolution of different species, not just one.
The most important part of his theory is that in order to evolve, you need diversity. When you take out diversity from evolution, you end up with inbreeding, which results in all sorts of inherent problems which you just pass on and on.
Socialists like to interpret "Survival of the fittest" as some sort of law of the jungle. It is simply the result of natural elimination process which of course would never have allowed Socialism on a scale beyond a small rural community and limited in time.
So what we have now is the collapse of Socialism on a massive scale, because it was allowed to reach that scale - like a small cooperative bank which was scaled up to become the biggest municipal lender in the world
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 8 Apr, 2012
The fact that governments are robbing us blind isn't the final proof that money can travel faster then light!
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FV
On 8 Apr, 2012
All worries will be made redundant once Spain exits the euro. First, that is.
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Jfv
On 8 Apr, 2012
@ Theo
Fundamentally you are of course correct, I am of the opinion though that this price mechanism no longer exists., i.e. it no longer reflects intrinsic value nor production/manufacturing. Prices across the board - commodities, real estate, stocks - are to a large extent linked to widespread financial manipulation. At present liquidity - the massive expansion of the monetary base - is keeping stock markets afloat, it is not the result of increased production or real growth, or some recovery. Add to this the fact that over 80% of "trading" is now done by computers, more precisely by computer controlled algorithms. The owners of these computers are the usual suspects with a direct connection to the Stock Exchanges. As a consequence they possess the power to make the market. i.e. make it rally or fall (Guess that is why Blankfein called it "God''s Work). Up or down they make massive profits by means of derivatives & deregulation. Now this does not mean that we have more or less resources, it simply means there is a decoupling between what is real and what is not. Hence a lot of economics101 has gone out of the window and we are looking at a changing paradigm. My query is how do we solve it? Or rather how do we protect ourselves? Any ideas appreciated.-
Theo
On 8 Apr, 2012
I also do not think it exists. That is what an abstraction means.
Verbs exist: to value = we place a value on something ; to price = we put a price on something
but a value and a price are abstract nouns which do not mean anything without a free market, that is a market where seller and buyer a free to negotiate directly
The job of governments is to provide and regulate such market. It is not there job to substitute itself for markets and to start forcing prices down on to us.
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Philippe
On 11 Apr, 2012
Well, did the people at the end of the Roman Empire manage to solve the paradigms they faced ? Nope. Did they manage to protect themselves ? Nope. Did the Roman Empire survive what its ruling class inflicted to its people ? Nope.
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Theo
On 11 Apr, 2012
@Philippe
Yep
The real question is why the European behind the scenes ruling classes' one&only reason d'etre is to recreate the Roman Empire
Every time they've tried, it ended up the same way it did the first time... It's not called The Dark Ages for nothing-
Philippe
On 11 Apr, 2012
Why ? Well the turning point to nesured the slow collapse of the Empire is somewhere between 301 AD - the Edict of the Maximum under the Rule of Diocletian and 327 AD, after the fall of Licinius, under the rule of Constantine. It corresponds to the the moneatry reforms, especially the establisment of 2 coexisting systems, one based on gold (solidi ), the other on fiat currency , the obligation for all to pay taxes in gold (even if not allowed to own it for other purposes) , systematic confiscation, forced labour, the emergence of large landlords that were exempts of all duties and obligation, recuperation of the Christian cult to serve the interests of the ruling class etc.
From that point onwards, the Roman ruling class actually ensured its survival by preying upon its people. I mean willingly and cynically, by specifically designed measures, rather than by stupidity or ignorance as it was the case before. I could devote a full essay to that. But let's keep it short . This coincides with the time the people actually lost confidence in the fiat money that had become the rule since the onset of the IIIrd century crisis. Would this be the trigger ? Or just a symptom of a time to re-launch an new historical cycle ?-
Theo
On 11 Apr, 2012
@ Philippe
Yes, the establishment of Christianity as state Religion and the Political/economic organisation of the Roman Empire and its subsequent downfall did go hand in hand.
Not so in the Eastern Roman Empire though... the downfall there started only after that form of Christianity (Roman as from Rome) was enforced and its opponents were either killed or ran off to other parts of Europe
Why do you think that I keep making the link here between religious revival and financial repression!? Because they go hand in hand - centralised authority = not democracy! And that is achieved by replacing Rule of Law with Rule of Morality and other such bullshit
Like I keep saying - money is what the Tax man says it is!
whatever asset you choose to have as means of store of value and exchange... ultimately currency is what the tax man accepts and he determines the exchange rate !!!
And when the tax man needs money, there is no such a thing as a safe asset in his jurisdiction
This is what this blog post and that study shows - you think that you are diversifying your portfolio and thus reducing the risk... while in reality you are only just playing in the hand of the tax man
Do you guys know what an "ante" means in casino card games?
I don't know about now but long time ago at the casino in Knokke one could bet on getting 3 x 7s on Black Jack and if you put an ante you could win a set sum.
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Jfv
On 8 Apr, 2012
@ Theo
Right on the money ... but then again how many in government are aware of what is happening ? By and large they are probably just doing what they are told to do, well up to a certain level that is. Beyond that they are either completely corrupted or dumb as two planks... But on our level and to protect ourselves which options remain?-
Theo
On 9 Apr, 2012
Funny... was that not what everybody said at the Nurenberg trials (against the political, military AND economic leadership)?!
"I did not know any better, I was just doing what I was told"
The result of the trials was that they were all still criminals - crimes against humanity , conspiracy and war crimes
The British War Cabinet documents released in 2006 are a most interesting read.-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 10 Apr, 2012
Theo,
The members of the board of T & T Inc will plea innocent at Nurenberg for the Politexianalization of 3 future generations.
http://www.belgium.be/nl/binaries/news_GroupeDiRupoI_tcm117-155418.jpg
PS:You can order your tickets to witness the almost certain collapse online of the former headquarters of T&T Inc online.
The members of the board of T&T Inc will be happy to report that they have no casualties amongst them and that chairman of the board was abroad having diner with the french president at that time.
T&T Inc blames the terrorist group The Speculators for blowing up the building.
http://youtu.be/VcNyhCXNvQE-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 10 Apr, 2012
Tox & Tives Inc will reward those former employees who witnessed the visious attack of The Speculators first hand with a small fee of 900.000 euro.The purpose of this reward is to prevent mass hysteria amongst the general public
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Jfv
On 10 Apr, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdpL_EATyc&feature=player_embedded#!
Listen to second part of the interview as well. Looks Like JPM has gone massively into soft commodities since 2007, stipulating that people will always need food etc. Better to control the entire market. Amazing how they get away with it ... a derivatives position of over 90 trillion. One wonders who is all in it together. -
Jfv
On 10 Apr, 2012
Max Keiser is talking about exactly what I have been looking at for a long time. The sudden drop in metals prices every time NY opens .... or at times Europe. Listen to the remarks ... they are true. Someone with a lot of money (JPM/GS etc..) can make millions upon millions just from this simple "manipulation". Again no other words for it.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 11 Apr, 2012
Jfv;
Hegde funds like GS orJPM can make money even faster when markets are in a downturn,a trend already in motion.They do not care if commodoties goes up or down.They seek a trend and their actions can only amplify a trend.
An big part has to do with people no longer trusting the euro and the usd.More and more money is flowing into etn's,into forex,into turbo's ect duplicating the fools opening hour of the stock market.
I think the truth is simpler and Christof is right.It is QE1 to QE? that is the cause behind the rise in commodities.
Look it like this Joe created wealth by working in the past.For every 1kJ he has been paid 1 euro.Joe has produced 1000 MJ's of sweat and now has 1 million euros.Joe works at T&T a fun boss to work for .Joe even has his whole savings parked at Tox and Tives.Now after 30 years of partying at the top of T&T they have a problem.They have more debt then their worth. -
Nacht Und Nebel
On 11 Apr, 2012
The members of the board tell Joe that it is the fault of all of thoses who lended the money to T&T.If nobody lended money to T&T then T&T would never been in trouble.Those who lended the money to T&T are the real problem.
Joe has faith in T&T simply because they have been good to him.For every million euro they lended they have given Joe 10 euros and the board rewarded themselves 100.000 euro.Joe knows this but he also knows that he has gotten the 10 euros for free so he keeps his mouth shut.
We do have a plan say the members of the board of Tox and Tives to Joe.Don't worry.We simply make every 1kJ of sweat worth 2 euros.Joe is very happy.He know his job is saved because their debt in cut in halve.He also knows that he is paid twice as much as the day before.Happy Joe goes to the baker to buy his daily bread. -
Nacht Und Nebel
On 11 Apr, 2012
Happy Joe is so happy that he orders 2 breads at the baker shop.Much to his suprise the baker asks not 1 euro for 1 bread but 3 euros for 1 bread.
You are robbing says Not So Happy Joe to the baker,Why?The angry baker answer to not so happy Joe:you do not have to buy my bread and I simply want back that what is mine.I put my life saving at Tox and Tives.Yesterday those criminals said that 1kJ of sweat is worth 2 euros.My whole savings in cut in half.I can't touch them but I can make you pay for what they have done to me.
Suddenly Joe realizes that he has been robbed 2 times in 1 day.
Not only the mermbers of the board of Tox and Tives cut his savings in half but also the baker wants 3 times the amount for his daily bread.
Those damn banks have robbed my nest egg says Joe.Now I will have to work that much longer for a much lower wage.
I hate banks it is all their fault!If they would never have lended money to Tox and Tives I could have stopped working next year and live like a king?Now I will have to work as a slave till I am dead and die hungry says Angry Joe.-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 11 Apr, 2012
Flash News.:It seems Angry Joe will not be happy today.The bank that lended money to Tox and Tives has run into trouble too because they lended money to T&T and T&T has no funds to pay back T&T.Well to keep the bank at float T&T will take over the bank.The only problem is that the bank that T&T saved will only pay back Joe 30 cents back of every cent his has lended that bank too.
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Theo
On 11 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
Hey, this is not the way to go from GDP to Gross National Happiness Product ! For 30 cents Joe can only afford a Chinese brewed beer... Bud will be a luxury product (based on price not quality)... Joe will become a 1 (Made in China ) pack man
Next macro economic indicator to make it big will be the Gross Negligence Product-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 11 Apr, 2012
Well it looks like the former bartender and now top banker captain Steve Freebeers has run into trouble too so you could be right that the next about the Gross Negligence Product if you look at the solution that Steve Freebeers has chosen to sweep his mistake under the carpet.
I am even starting think that Dex IAHHHH was the name of a very evil minded donkey.
I let Steve Freebeers talk for himself:
http://youtu.be/UGZjZ7t5UrQ-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 11 Apr, 2012
Oooh I guess I was wrong,Steve Freebeer lefted the ethias buiding in 2008 after the anti midas turned 1.5 billion euro of governmental support in Ethias Leven into a book value of 100 euros.
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Theo
On 12 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
"Bordelle de m&%$e" he must have given as destination to the driver of his free bus... only to find out, once there, that there is no such a thing as a free ride-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 12 Apr, 2012
Theo,
How true.The things Tox and Tives did make WW1 and WW2 a sunday out for the children of the citizens of this country.No Nurenberg for Tox and Tives but most likely le legion d'honneur for the 40 minutes deal were the former president of Tox and Tives paid billions of euros so that the open can of maggots could be swepped under the carpet of yet another parliamentary inquiry.If my grandfather was still alive and he has the choice between Buchenwald were the motto was arbeid macht frei or choose the concentration camp were the motto is'de tocht is moeilijk,de gids ervaren' then I am sure he would have chosen Buchenwald because his death would have been more humane.
http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=GU3OKPLP
Isn't it strange that the the official chronicler of Tox and Tives ,The Bonny Times even mention a word of all this?-
Philippe
On 13 Apr, 2012
N&N
The funny thing about reading this article is the Google ads just below the text : I get links towards "Een begrafenis is duur" & Lijdt U aan rugpijn ?" So appropriate ....
The rest is grim indeed. And I very much doubt that the situation is as rosy as depicted in this article.
Yet, the comparison with Buchenwald is somehow not that appropriate, imho. T&T is just about money and living standards, not about the worst crime against humanity to date. It will for sure have grim consequences for us and our children, like the southern company bubble or the banque de Law in the early XVIIIth, maybe as serious as the consequences for China of the first long depression ( end XIXth ).-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 13 Apr, 2012
Philippe,
Well we differ in opinion then and that is ok.I know that I am out of here in a few years and that is a very good thing.i will look in may for a little place under the sun.Not to big but big enough to be self sufficient.I could not live with myself knowing that I convicted my children and their children to a life of mere slaves...
If this nightmare unfolds then you are smart enough to understand that the greeks are in a much better situation now then we would be then.....
The total debt per capita would be about at least 320.000 euro per average family living here not including the mortgage on their house.How much would they have to repay half of it every month for the next 40 years net ?I don't know?Perhaps an extra 900 euros net per month?If not higher,knowing that the lending costs would be that much higher.How would they ever be able to that?Perhaps they should sell their houses to finance this 40 minute deal with the french.The question that remains we helped the french,the greeks,the...but who will help us in times of need?-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 13 Apr, 2012
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines high treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
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Philippe
On 13 Apr, 2012
In fact we don't disagree that much. Great Britain still pays the aftermath of the southern sea company affair ( the oldest perpetual bond issued by England is the ultimate refinancing instrument of it, only the evolution of the pound since its creation makes it seem very little ). And the Banque de Law affair is one of the roots of the French Revolution. And how the western powers preyed upon China in the late XIXth century later conditionned tha nature of Chinese Communism.
I agree that the T&T thing and more widely the global play of austerity / fiscal repression on one side, monetary expansion / gift for the riches/ broken markets on the other is going to break our society as we know it.
Again, there is imho a valid point comparison with how serfdom appeared as an aftermath of the fiscal policies of the late roman (western) empire. But future generations may not accept it as easily as that. It's all very nice now for our wannabe feudal lords to throw at us the nice FMI/OCDE/etc ideas while at the same time ensuring the survival of the system by the largest monetary expansion since Louis XVI's Assignats, but the view of pikes / guillotines / red guards may one day haunt them as it haunted others a few centuries/ decades ago.
But the deathcamps really is another matter entirely. That may be sensitive to some as well. Hence my comment
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Theo
On 13 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
Guys like him go to Les Deux Magots in Paris and only see the other meaning of the French word le magot = the pile of money they have managed to run off with... while contemplating Sartre's Huis Clos. They choose not to contemplate the real meaning of the two figures holding the gold bars in their hands
700,000 people voted for Yves Leterme... Arco has 800,000 members
Philippe makes an interesting point... I was also looking at Ethias Insurance. This is an interesting read
http://www.ethias.be/nl/prd/D5PR058/Particulieren/Verzekeren/Gezin/Leven__Overlijden/Overlijden.htm
Wat te doen in geval van overlijden? It reads like a manual for what to do in case of Dexia going bust... except for the fact that the shareholders did not buy a life insurance but are still trying to claim one-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 13 Apr, 2012
Theo,
Everything that Ives Leterme ever did was spraakmakend.Does it have to do with Ipres?Wasn't Ipres the town of a company called Lernhout and Hauspie?Is it here were he learned his accounting techniques from his great example?.Dehaene joined the Board of Directors of Lernout & Hauspie where he was part of what is considered one of the largest corporate scandals in history prior to Enron (wikipedia).
We know what happened to LHSP.it doesn't make me feel any better that a few years later that some of the same names appears in the world heaviest leveraged hegde fund called Dexia (just like Steve he quited).To go belly up would be a very very inclined hill for the modern Sisyfus called the belgian tax payer.It was funny how the moderator of the bonny times defended dexia because they do not need a banking lincence so the article in de morgen seems to have no value to him.That could be true for now because hegde funds do not need a banking licence.Still the amount that the tax payers can loose remains the same and so is the risks that dexia will fall down.Banking lincence or no banking lincence.-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 13 Apr, 2012
This brings us back to Arco.We know that Europe said that helping out the shareholders of Arco is a definite No NO.Will it chance anything.Of course it will not The CVP can't risk losing 800.000 votes.They will find another way to secure those votes.Why should they worry?It will not cost them a penny because the belgian tax paper will pick up the tag.It seems that the only hope that the world heaviest hegde fund not will go belly up is that the market start trusting countries like greece,italy,portugal,spain again.There is light at the end of the tunnel the CD&V always says?The only thing they forgot to mention is that this we aren't in a tunnel but in a cyclotron much like Van Rossems former Moneytron after the ECB forced the banks a 65 percent loss on their greek bonds.
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Philippe
On 13 Apr, 2012
seing light at the end of a tunnel = a taste of near death experiment...
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 12 Apr, 2012
http://blogimages.seniorennet.be/raa/501152-fe5559636210e5c4e5970f2836d7e07c.jpg
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Jfv
On 13 Apr, 2012
Jim Sinclair on King World News:
“The $17 trillion that came into the system, in total, has gone into the hands of the winners on the derivatives. The flushing of Lehman made that a necessity. Those people with the money are not lenders. I would say that sitting in front of Goldman Sachs with a tin cup would not get you too far.
They don’t have a mindset for building. They have a mindset to reward destruction. So what you are seeing is the effect of simply putting money into a system, to fill a dark hole, out of which the money doesn’t come.
It doesn’t fund the ability to lend. And truth be known, because of FASB allowing the financial organizations, in the US, to value their over the counter derivatives at any value they choose to use, the balance sheets of the lending institutions are cartoons.
To expect that cartoon to resuscitate a housing market or to invest in business and have a significant impact on improving employment, you are out of your mind. It’s like the Grinch is going to come and lend. It’s not going to happen."
I for one agree with most of his statement. Our governments live in a continuous state of denial... and since I do not see any real action taken I think it is but a matter of time before even Belgium goes into Greece/Spain mode...As Sinclair makes clear, the balance sheets are total fiction, hence the stress tests were also total fiction. So all fiat currencies become null and void when taking about true intrinsic value. -
Jfv
On 13 Apr, 2012
And again ... Bernanke speaks in tongues ... is very careful not to utter the words QE or easing ... and all is well. At the same time JPM and GS instruct the HFT algorithms to sell ... the rest follows and you get vertical drops in PM markets. Someone please give me 100 million and I will make you very rich LOL. So easy to trade but you need BIG money.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
Phillipe,
Being a rather old fart I have come to the conclusion that there is but two absolute evils in this world and that is sheep and the organized crimes of the dogmatic do gooders.
When to believe changes into religion and when society stops to change you always see the worst in men.
So is it a bad to believe in Jesus?No,it is harmless and rather ethical.It even brings out the better things in men.The real evil start when you organize it.When you centralize it.When you create the Vatican or the ECB,the European Communist Brotherhood.
The same thing for when to create a structured society changes into the politics of the status quo when Charles promotes his not so clever son to be senator of yet another Rome.When politics becomes a family bussiness.When the the US Declaration of Independence changes into a european 300 pages long rule book on cauliflower.In essence they are the same yet the declaration of Independence promoted an end to slavery while his european counterpart promotes the beginning of a new era of slavery.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
There is nothing more difficult to plan, more doubtful of success, more dangerous to manage than the creation of a new system. The innovator has the enmity of all who profit by the preservation of the old system and only lukewarm defenders by those who would gain by the new system. (Machiavelli, 1513)
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
Oooh,I forgot to mention the sheep.Who are the sheep?The sheep are people like me.Like sheep they graze the meadow root an all.They want everything for nothing.They want to be subsidized for everything while they themselves refuse to pay taxes.They say they have a right not to pay taxes because the tax rates are simply to high.They say that labour cost are too high yet they have no problems charging tenfold that amount that they complain about.They complain about Charles his son yet they have no problem to do the same thing for their children.They complain about the low interest rates yet they demand an interest free mortgage.
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Theo
On 14 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
And the sheep get to read economic masterpieces from The Time of Our Lives as this one
http://blogs.tijd.be/bbb/2012/04/bedrijfswinsten-begrotingstekorten.html
I'm only guessing someone there read the comments on this blog :-)
Apparently an open economy is one where you add Government, Import/Export and Dividends to the economic model... and you come to the unquestionable conclusion that The bottom line is entirely responsible for the state of the public fiscal deficit
Like I said, in Belgium economics is something out of the 19 century
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Philippe
On 14 Apr, 2012
Theo
"In Belgium economics i something out of the 19 century"
You mean XIXth century Ottoman Empire, do you ? The economic actors of XIX century Belgium had much more common sense than that ...-
Theo
On 15 Apr, 2012
@ Philippe
No, I actually mean Belgium.
The territories we now call Belgium has always had very important industrial activity for the rest of Europe because of the nature of the products it used to manufacture. It almost all went to export.
What was the corporate & personal tax structure in those days?
The issue I am raising here is the financial sector. Every time Belgium tried to be a banking center for the rest of Europe as it was in industrial terms, it all went very bad.
Where is the defacto government ran financial sector in this economic model of bedrijfswinsten (presumably only private enterprise as it doesn't even make the distinction) = deficit (presumably only sovereign debt which doesn't even include social security and pensions)
The Ottoman Empire on the other hand had the most effective financial system. If you study it you will find out. What it lacked was industrial production at the time of the industrial revolution.
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Jfv
On 14 Apr, 2012
@ Nacht und Nebel
Well of course you are correct, but the problem lies at the root of the economic system. The main obstacles to a fair and real economy:
1. Fractional Reserve Banking = License for the elites to control the masses. Remember what A. Rothschild said all those years ago: "Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws". In any conflict you will see an immediate move by Western powers to control a nation's central bank (e.g. Libya where they even stopped the war to quickly set up a new national central bank with the so-called "rebels"). Once the money supply is controlled (by private interests) it does not really matter who is in charge of local politics.
2. Different rules for different folks: The revolving door between Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and the White House, the ECB, the IMF and the World Bank simply has to be shut. High Frequency Trading should also be either halted or independently controlled. Derivatives should be highly regulated, naked shorts & CDS (no underlying assets) should be banned by law. Last but not least those who have been found guilty of gross negligence, fraud, market manipulation should be tried in a court of law and put behind bars when found guilty.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
Theo,
:),The bonny times,the defenders of the Societe Generale SA and untouched choir boys.
Welke factor maakt het verschil dan wel? De factor overheidssparen. In het Westen ontsparen overheden erg fors. Ze geven veel meer uit dan ze binnenkrijgen. Ze stapelen de deficits op. Een van de gevolgen van die publieke uitgavendrift is een enorme boost van de bedrijfswinsten
Strange that they forgot to mention that the deficits are recurrent year after year.even when the company profits are down the deficit are about the same if we exclude the buy of the century (politexia)..Recurrent are the pensions and wages of civil servants,the rising costs of our wellfare system.The rising cost of a wrong kind of immigration (the right kind of people that we need so very very badly are replaced by voters who live on PS-life support)
Somehow I find it strange that they never talk of this.The implication of the european blank cheque.
This is a far bigger evil then GS and JPM.What do you think?
http://youtu.be/vPCKHvCgLnA-
Theo
On 14 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
More strange is the fact that in the real world corporations generate the majority of their revenues and benefits in countries with nonexistent or small fiscal deficit !!!
How would this model explain the collapse of Dexia ??? :-)
It cannot... because Dexia is not even included in the model ( there is no credit ! or with other words where did Dexia get the money to lend out to Dexia shareholders in order to auto finance)
Also not included is private debt ! or with other words where did Dexia get the money to hand out mortgages to people to buy houses?
This I guess is too complicated for a Belgian financial newspaper
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Theo
On 14 Apr, 2012
wrt the video... Ponzi schemes are only legal if and when organised and sponsored by government authorized institutions... and illegal when done so by private individuals
One question: Why did the West spend so much time and effort "trying" to bring down the former Eastern European & Russia economic and monetary union if it copied that model of financial transfer onto its own Euro Zone?-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
Theo,
It was done out of pure envy.That could not stand that politicans were untouchable over there .Breaking down the berlin wall and replacing it with the new atlantic wall made them untouchable too.Theo what did you do wrong to this world to get f.cked twice in a lifetime :)
I guess soon we will have a beer together on the rooftop of the lebeau hotel in krung thep?-
Theo
On 14 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
LOL
You get my rational attraction for open space rooftop bars :-)
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
Theo,
I have discovered a little hick up in the bonny times grand new economic model
Uitgangspunt voor een gesloten economie: totale inkomsten = totale uitgaven.
- Inkomsten = winsten + lonen.
- Uitgaven = investeringen (bedrijven) + gezinsconsumptie.
Dus: winsten = investeringen + consumptie - lonen.
Zo ver, zo goed.
Volgende stap: het opsplitsen van de lonen in een deel consumptie en een deel sparen.
- Of: gezinssparen = lonen - consumptie.
Dus: bedrijfswinsten = investeringen - gezinssparen.
For some reason the good citizens of this grand nation never seem to pay any taxes?Nirvana.No more will we have to pay federale belastingen,belastingen voor de gewesten,provinciale belastingen,gemeentelijke belastingen,BTW,europese belastingen,belasting op de belastingen,zegelrecht and because they have no taxes they can't interfere with the economic model nor do the companies over there .Can you say where this Nirvana is.I want to go and live there for ever and 1 day.What a country the government over there simply pays the bill without asking a penny from you!-
Theo
On 14 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
I'm all in for 19th century tax free economic zones :-)-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
Theo,
After doing such a great job the reporters of The Time of Our Lives earn at least a song and the Pulitzer price of course.Damn this read was even better then The Watergate Scandal.Soon The Time of Our Lives will be as good as The Pravda if not better.
From now on I will only read The Time of Our Lives and the holy bible.
http://youtu.be/IQ-zvISzY3Q
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
Theo,
:) at least we must give the bonny times the credit for making us understand why it was necessary that a plumber was chairman of the board at Dexia.
If they ever would ran into trouble as a bank they simply had to flush their problems down the toilet and they would be gone forever.For Dexia the most important seat was the toilet seat. thus you needed a very good plumber.
http://youtu.be/kkUifFy7Em0-
Jfv
On 14 Apr, 2012
DEXIA played with derivatives and got burnt. The Belgian citizen foots the bill thanks to our either very dumb or very corrupt political class, nothing more to it. Forget any party allegiance ... all parties are guilty of not taking action, or not even mentioning the crux of the matter. I wonder what Europe will do about the maturing debt. Nobody seems to be talking about it... another round of refinancing? Did LTRO 1 & 2 simply deliver cash to the derivative winners or did it in fact have a real purpose? And what about the interest on the debt? Increase taxes ? Austerity measures ad infinitum just to make sure the bankers do not sustain losses and receive ridiculous end-of-year bonuses? I mean how dumb can you be ? A first grader can do the math on this one ... KABOOM !
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Theo
On 14 Apr, 2012
Do people who believe in light at the end of the tunnel suffer from tunnel vision... or do they only drive into tunnels during day time?
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 14 Apr, 2012
If you have some imagination then an abyss can become a tunnel too but only if you know the right plumber.Never go down an abyss without a fitting cork for your behind our things could become very messy indeed
http://youtu.be/WowZLe95WDY
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 15 Apr, 2012
Jfv,
Whatever you believe in put it in a little box and look at the graph,so will I.What do you see?Somewhere you seem to have a tipping point.It starts in 2005,isn't it?A few years before the financial crisis we detect the first signs of inflation because basis goods are starting to become more costly in dollar tems.The consumer was right that life was becoming more costly yet the FED did not raise interest rates.
Why is wheat and corn go up hand in hand with lifestock?A greater meat demand in Asia because people urbanize over there and have more money to buy meat?That is not a good thing for the west because they thought that globalization was a one way street.It takes 1,150-2,000 liters of water to produce one kilogram of wheat, and about 16,000 liters of water for one kilogram of beef and about 5 to 6 kg for 1kg of beef.That could explain why while being in a crisis food commodities doesn't fall they only stagnate and that my friend could mean that things like basic food and water could become very costly in the futere.In about 30 years there will be more then 14 billion people on this earth.The amount of fresh water will be the same so will be the amount of farm land.As I said I am out of here soon...I will try to secure a little farm in thailand with enough fresh water.-
Theo
On 15 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
the greater meat demand from Asia is a myth.
But there was a greater meat supply which has to be forced upon Asians
All the "free" trade negotiations include meat from subsidised meat producing countries outside Asia. Indeed this meat trade pressure on Asian countries has to do with the subsidised corn production which is used in the meat production. This also feeds the biotech & the pharma industry - two of the most important industries in the US & EU.
Meat is not just meat anymore
And then let's not even look at the evidence of exploding food allergy & intolerance in kids born in the West in the last 15 years-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 15 Apr, 2012
Theo,
The first time I drank a freshly squeezed orange juice in Thailand I became an addict.It was so good so real so different from the chemical modified orange juice you drink here.I know that if I could import that juice over here I would become a billionaire in less then a year.
Yes over here if you eat pork it tastes like fish;If you eat beef it taste like water solutable wheat proteins.and if you eat fish it tastes like pork on steroids.
We live in times were we feed our kids very fast sugars then we wonder why they become hyperactive and our solution to this problem is feeding them tranquilizers so they become num and still.
We become what we eat.Why do we keep eating this garbage then?Perhaps,it is because it is all we can afford or our priorities lies somewhere else.Did you notices how fat young women become over here?They are the first victims because they have less muscle mass so they are the first victims of a poor food scheme.-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 15 Apr, 2012
Theo,
You probalby will not believe this but it is the truth.Last year I was in Thailand for a month.I love thai food so it was all I would eat exept in the morning.I did eat 6 times a day of there.Every morning I had my english breakfast.After 1 month I lost 10kg for no reason.My fat percentage dropped to 13 percent.Now I am 1m83 and weigh only 83kg lost 2 suit sizes.I am wearing a suit size 48 now.The importance of a good food source.
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Jfv
On 15 Apr, 2012
@ NUN
Well the thing is I always follow the money. I do not see the markets in real terms such as which foods where etc ... I see it purely from a money making angle... how does one make money from it, who benefits? Then you follow the derivatives trades (and volumes) and things like JP Morgan's Blythe Masters going heavily into food commodities etc ... Why ? Purely to make money without any regard for the lives they literally destroy because of the increase in prices they cause. None of it is market driven anymore but purely caused by computer HFT algorithms, out of sheer greed. So all our different economic models and the way they used to work simply do no longer apply ...
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 15 Apr, 2012
I know it is just The Sun,a bonny times lookalike but.:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4257682/48-of-Brits-want-to-get-out-of-Britain-says-new-Sun-survey.html -
Philippe
On 15 Apr, 2012
Albanians in Greece returning to Albania
Portuguese moving to Brasil and even Angola
Irish immigrating again, like if there were no potatoes anymore in Ireland
Spaniards to almost everywhere
Some are even confused enough to come to Belgium
That's something the OCDE, FMI, EC never factor in in their reports. Politicians defintely do not master the concept of elasticity.
And the worse is yet to come. Leaving is not the only way to opt out of a system.-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 15 Apr, 2012
Philippe,
Every country get's the immagrants that it deserves,it is simple as that!
Peoples that migrate seek a place that they long for.Some long for freedom;some seek fortune and others just a system that will provide for them.
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On 16 Apr, 2012
@ Jfv
"DEXIA played with derivatives and got burnt."
Dexia was set up with derivatives = its capital was funds trade unions receive to run their trade union ponzi schemes
Pensions, social security and unemployment money are derivatives, they are not savings. Saving is money set aside from income you actually have received. That other stuff is imaginary "income" which has been withheld from you
Sovereign debt in Euro Zone countries with socialist system is issued by governments based on these withheld income flows.
Thus when you buy EZ sovereign debt, what you are actually buying is a lot of pure air... you need a level of CO2 to force your lungs to breath it
Thus dividends from state owned corporations funded with derivatives "capital" are what exactly??? And what about all pension funds "investing" in commodities, mostly oil and soft commodities???-
Jfv
On 17 Apr, 2012
@ Theo
Your assessment is correct but by the same token our whole fractional reserve banking is one big derivative derived from magic tricks. Well in theory backed up by debt as a collateral, but that does not equate in real terms since debt has no intrinsic value, it's a promise nothing more. So yes agree on pension funds etc ... all pie in the sky. But what I meant was that DEXIA took these funds, the whole pooled amounts, and went on a betting spree. Imagine the current situation had they instead invested in tangible assets or precious metals, they would be laughing now. Instead they gave it to the same usual suspects ... JP Morgan has over 90 trillion of derivatives on its books (or on the FED's, not clear). And Belgium is talking austerity ... welcome to the revolution the day when people go hungry !-
Theo
On 18 Apr, 2012
@ Jfv
That would be Adam Smith economics not Karl Marx finance
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 16 Apr, 2012
Question if an interest rate of 1 percent is fair for the ECB why then aren't they buying BPIGS bonds with an average 10 year interest rate of 6 percent?
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 16 Apr, 2012
A strange quote in the bonny times today:
-All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?’
Apart from taxes,slavery,political aristocraty and corruption;monetary inflation and christianity not that much I guess?
I hope the answer wasn't ridiculous minishirts?
The first sanitation system has been found at the prehistoric Middle East, in south-east of Iran near Zabol In Burnt City (Shahre soukhteh)
The ancient Egyptians had a system of medicine that was very advanced for its time and influenced later medical traditions. The Egyptians and Babylonians both introduced the concepts of diagnosis, prognosis, and medical examination.-
Theo
On 16 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
You cannot build an empire without superiority propaganda. It is why Postmodernism is the rage in the West!
Truths derived from facts do not matter
This process is even more apparent and acute when said empire is in decline.
We still do not know where the urge for truth comes from; for as yet we have heard only of the obligation imposed by society that it should exist: to be truthful means using the customary metaphors - in moral terms, the obligation to lie according to fixed convention, to lie herd-like in a style obligatory for all... Nietzsche
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 16 Apr, 2012
wine: Mesopotamia and Egypt
Wine was popular with the pharaohs of ancient Egypt from about 3000 BC onwards. Inscriptions and illustrations of grape harvesting and wine making have been found in a number of tombs.
irrigation:egypt,the Nile ?
roads;the silk road wasnt that before?
must I go on?On thing is for sure the bonny times must be sponsored by someone within the ministry of sllly walks.
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 16 Apr, 2012
the first trading route:The peninsula of Anatolia lay on the commercial land routes to Europe from Asia as well as the sea route from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea.[15] Records from the 19th century BCE attest to the existence of an Assyrian merchant colony at Kanesh in Cappadocia (now in modern Turkey).[15] Trading networks of the Old World included the Grand Trunk Road of India and the Incense Road of Arabia.[5] A transportation network consisting of hard-surfaced highways, using concrete made from volcanic ash and lime, was built by the Romans as early as 312 BCE, during the times of the Censor Appius Claudius Caecus.[16] Parts of the Mediterranean world, Roman Britain, Tigris-Euphrates river system and North Africa fell under the reach of this network at some point of their history.[16]
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Theo
On 18 Apr, 2012
@Jfv
Read this "opinion" from the ECB. It is hilarious !
http://sofiaecho.com/2012/04/18/1810003_ecb-critical-of-bulgarias-plans-to-use-silver-fund-to-buy-securities
In Bulgaria there is more done overboard than the rest of Europe gives them credit for-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 18 Apr, 2012
Big Brother is starting to tell you what you must buy Is today april the first?>hat's next?Everbody must buy a spanish time share with his pension fund?
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Theo
On 18 Apr, 2012
Yep. and it shows how the Belgian (EZ member) Silver Fund has disappeared into a black hole
Read "Why Nations Fail" - it explains how extractive political institutions set up extractive economic institutions and how such socio-economic systems can never produce sustainable economic growth. Such systems are not effective by design and done so on purpose
Here is the fallacy of the socialist parties in Europe today seemingly demanding not just austerity but growth policies. There is no growth possible without the systemic changes which they do not want to implement because if they do, they would also entail institutional change - towards inclusive political and economic institutions = Germany
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 19 Apr, 2012
Theo,
The first financial soggy banana award goes to a bonny times reporter with his in depth ananlysis of who is to blame for the financial crisis in Spain,Den duits (De Tijd):
Die lokale vastgoedmagnaten ( germans according to the same reporter yesterday) en Europese banken opbliezen terwijl de toezichthouders - lokaal en Europees - sliepen. En gevoed werd door een ECB- rente die laag was om te toen zieltogende Duitse economie niet te versmachten. Dát is de echte waarheid, niet dat Spanje een zondaar is die nu maar op de blaren moet zitten.
It wasn't Greenspan nor the FED,it wasn't the US housing crisis but den duits that destroyed Dexia in the end.
The real truth isn't that an oxymoron like a little bit pregant?
If Spain saved Germany a few years ago with building castles in the sand then surely Germany must save Spain now.No reforms needed just a blank cheque from Germany will do the trick...
isn't that his message?Alas it will not stop even if Germany writes a blank cheque....
Stop feeding me The Real Truth just give me the facts.......I am old enough to know 'a truth' once I know all the facts and guess what my truth isn't his truth......My truth the euro will hit 1.2 USD as a first stop.Hyperstagflation in here to stay if they do nothing.Governments will not find any money because private lenders know that they will pay the price and not the IMF and the ECB.-
Theo
On 19 Apr, 2012
Of course the Germans did it!
The mistress of the Spanish King is German... she is a German property development spy - that is a special branch at the German ministery of foreign affairs :-)
According to the Greeks the German ministry of foreign affairs has a special Mercedes branch :-)
The African elephant in the Spanish room takes on a whole new meaning
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 19 Apr, 2012
( the bonny times)dus ik denk dat ook met deze veiling de problemen van Spanje helemaal niet van de baan zijn, en die problemen zijn voor een belangrijk deel veroorzaakt om Duitsland terwille te zijn.
The Evil Sauerkraut Midget has started his Third World War an ecomic war.The aim is to destroy Europe.Not a word of course why Sarkozy suddenly wants and more growth orientated ECB.No word about the 120 billion euro that french banks have invested in Spain and approx. 380 billion euro in Italian bonds.
So french banks like Ives his second best buy of the century (BNP) are having alot of difficulty to find short time funding because of this.That is not The Real Truth but 'A truth'.
So can we blame the european banks for stopping to buy these bonds or roll them over?Not really even with the free lunch money the ECB has provided (only 1 trillion euro) the conclusion is the same.Even if you buy Cricket Bonds with an interest rate of 5 percent and even if the ECB lends you that money with an interest rate of 1 percent You are f.cked because in the end you will have to write off these bonds hopefully not with a loss of 65 percent.
April the 19the,I stop reading the bonny times from know on......Any suggestions for a magazine that gives me the facts apart from this blog? -
Theo
On 19 Apr, 2012
@ NuN
LOL.
Comité P is going to conclude the 3 missing wallets were stolen from the police stations by Bulgarian Gypsies-
Nacht Und Nebel
On 19 Apr, 2012
Theo,
Can you believe?Is this even real?
http://blogs.tijd.be/bbb/2012/04/europa-onzer-dromen.html
They just earned their second soggy banana award in less then a week...-
Theo
On 19 Apr, 2012
Ze Germans are bad bad bad !!!
While we spent our time in Club Med all they did was integrate not only Eastern Europe but also the rest of Eastern Europe
All we ask for now is to be able to stay in Club Med. We like it. We like a hell of a lot.
If they want to continue to work, we are fine with that.
They can work and we can take care of the all-inclusive paid holiday bit of the European social contract. What else is Solidarity for? Let's milk it for all its worth
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Philippe
On 20 Apr, 2012
Dexia again in the news. They are apparently addicted to bonusses, like banks are addicted to free money. Sure, go on.
There are days where I would approve of ancient techniques to deal with banking abuses. Of course, I understand there are not galleys anymore but surely someone still knows how to build a cross and nail a corrupt banker on it ? Or, to accept some form of modernism, surely there are still plans to build guillotines somewhere ? -
Nacht Und Nebel
On 20 Apr, 2012
Philippe,
Correction Dex- IA is not a bank but 100 to 1 betting office for begian politicians.If they loose they get their money back plus a bonus.If they win they and the ACW get the jackpot plus a bonus.If the don't feel like playing then they an the ACW get a bonus and incentive to play again.
Why do you think this betting office is so popular with the ACW,CD&V,VLD,SP,PS,CDH,.....;
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Nacht Und Nebel
On 20 Apr, 2012
Het boek is getiteld "tijdbom Dexia". Volgens de berekeningen van de auteur boekt Dexia momenteel structureel zo'n 3 miljard euro verlies per jaar. Aan dat tempo zou het eigen vermogen van de groep over goed twee jaar volledig opgebruikt zijn, klinkt het.
Daardoor zouden de overheden in de loop van 2014 verliezen beginnen te lijden. België zou dan 2 tot 3 miljard euro per jaar moeten neertellen om Dexia overeind te houden. Omdat de akkoorden over de staatswaarborgen bepalen dat Dexia de overheden ook in aandelen kan terugbetalen, kan een en ander ertoe leiden dat de Belgische staatsschuld oploopt van 365 naar 500 miljard euro.
Staatswoorborgen die kunnen terugbetaald worden met aandelen die excact 0 euro waard zijn.Blijkbaar is volgens Ives L. 1.000.000.000 nieuwe aandelen dexia dus 1.000.000.00 X 0 zeker 2.000.000.000 tot 3.000.000.000 euro per jaar waard. -
Nacht Und Nebel
On 21 Apr, 2012
http://blogs.tijd.be/bbb/2012/04/de-flatiebangbroek.html
Een ode aan Après nous les mouches
Zoek de 10 verschillen:
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Woorden schieten te kort.Een pleidooi voor meer uitgeven een pleidooi om onze nazaten nog meer op te zadelen met extra schulden van zodra zij deze aardkloot betreden.
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Jfv
On 23 Apr, 2012
@ All
When you walk the streets of any city in this country on any given Saturday you notice many happy families shopping like there is no tomorrow, Well ... if our leaders continue to live in denial along with the majority of our so-called journalists ... then there may very well be no tomorrow in economic terms. A tomorrow solely for the banking class & insiders is neither workable nor acceptable. All their current actions and non-actions are based upon a very short term perspective, i.e. how do we get as much money into our pockets before the system collapses? Now if more people knew what we know and discuss on here ... then maybe eventually our leaders would be called upon to act with due diligence and in fairness to all. Not because they would voluntarily agree to this course of action but simply to save face and their political careers along with it.-
Philippe
On 23 Apr, 2012
@Jfv
Trust our benevolent and enlighted dear leaders to ensure their survival at our expenses, till they can, that is. But do not ask them to understand what is happening.
At best, they could achieve some form of cognitive denial and find scapegoats.
And you known who the most likely scapegoat will be : the criminal saver, the hoarder, that disguting figure who keeps accumulating - greed and malevolence - the added value stolen from those who lose their job, while forcing those poor states and banks to be in debt, because, of course, this associal being will not accept any other way to give back whatever he is holding.
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Jfv
On 25 Apr, 2012
@ Philippe
Yes I fully agree. But it seems the European bunch who never pay taxes are one step ahead of us with the creation of the ESM. In a few words, it will be the end of any independent financial sovereignty in Europe. As Sinclair states:
"The European Stabilization Mechanism Treaty due to pass in July this year will take care of whatever money is required by Spain or any other Euroland nations for effective bailout. It starts with $700 billion in capitalization and has an open call for additional capital infusion with no limit placed on these calls and no further agreements required.New additional capitalization called on by this treaty is mandatory, not elective and therefore will go to infinity. The member nations have 7 days to pay up when ordered to by the management of the EMS who are protected against any form of attack or litigation to legislation. It will be backed by the US Fed via swaps while the US publicly denies it is adding any capital to the IMF or this new entity, ESM.-
Jfv
On 25 Apr, 2012
sequel of quote:
"It is the mechanism for QE to infinity in Europe.QE to infinity, properly understood, is debt monetization on steroids. Denials will be legion, but this debt monetization on steroids will not and cannot be avoided.The advent of the ESM Treaty establishing the European Stabilization Mechanism is economically Earth shaking and recognized by almost no one out there. It cannot be otherwise, it cannot be avoided. It can de denied but it will occur."
Of course it will probably render fiat currency rather worth-less ! It almost looks like a totalitarian grab for power. Does anyone know if European Parliamentarians ... pay austerity ? Since they do not pay any taxes and have just increased their wages not too long ago ... it seems not. Not that anyone cares as long as they can have a new Iphone or Ipad ! Of course when times are tough you cannot eat your Ipad.
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Philippe
On 25 Apr, 2012
@Jfv
If I remember well, Henry Kissinger said something sensible about the purposes of control of Food, Energy and Money. And truly, it is what eventually happens, except that those in control are not states but a syndicate within the superior circles of the financial industry.
As for austerity in some circles, raising the question is answering it. The political circles , whatever their level , are the less affected class of all. They truly think that "s'il n'y a plus de pain, mangeons de la brioche" . -
Jfv
On 25 Apr, 2012
@ Philippe
Exactly. And staying with Kissinger ... I think it was he who once stated in the influential "Foreign Affairs" magazine that for argument's sake the ideal population of Planet Earth would be around 500 million. If you read more on the Globalist movement & thinking, i.e. Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission etc ... you do find more of these rather odd statements. However put into context they do make a lot of sense. Certainly an interesting conversation... I think some really good points are made on this Board. I have no clue who is who but maybe we can get together at some stage and share our thoughts about the world, whilst we light the fire with the nonsensical writings of the Main Stream Media ! Does anyone have a hidden cave in the backyard? LOL -
Jfv
On 25 Apr, 2012
Have a look at this, amazing when you put it into perspective ... follow the article down:
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html -
Jfv
On 25 Apr, 2012
And this one, and please scroll down to the bottom of the page, where it shows the number of UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, a small matter that most economists tend to overlook. Add to that the interest on existing debt ... and politicians are talking austerity measures to raise a few million dollars here and there? Do they have any idea ? I am not sure what makes me laugh more ... great comedy or economic recovery stories:
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html-
Philippe
On 27 Apr, 2012
On the other hand, please remind that printing a 100 USD bill costs something like... 12,5 US cents.
So, surely it's quite cheap to actually fund those unfunded liabilities ...
Even better, it is legally possible to mint coins with extremey high values ( just imagine a 1 trillion dollar coin ). Mint a couple of hundred of these, give them to the fed in exchange for credit lines, and every financial illness is cured at a fairly minimal cost.
Such solutions have been tried in the past with great sucess. The Louis XVth's french monarchy could halve the debt lef by Louis XIV thanks to a bright Scottish printer by the name of Law. The Austro-Hungarian war debts were eventually serviced at a very favourable rate of 1 shilling for 10.000 crowns. And Germany sucessufully reduced its financing needs by 99,95% between 1922 and 1924.-
Philippe
On 27 Apr, 2012
Cynism left aside, what I mean is that we have reached a point at which amounts as such do not make sense anymore. The vast majority hasn't realized it yet. Historic experience shows that such realization takes some time to settle in.. This comes from the confusion between the vector ( coin, banknote) and its supposed value.
For the moment, we just need a trigger.
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Jfv
On 28 Apr, 2012
@ Philippe
I find myself in agreement ... the majority of people are oblivious to what a trillion, and even a quadrillion represent in terms of the continuous dilution of monetary "value". Politicians are programmed to think only short term. One thing becomes crystal clear ... one day the music will stop. I now believe that T-Bills of European Euro countries are no longer a safe investment. And this because there is a "trigger" lurking out there somewhere, as you correctly state. In fact I am of the opinion than any wealth preservation will soon have to exclude almost everything we deem part of the normal monetary market mechanisms, i.e. exclude T-Bills, State Bonds, all bank shares & related CDS, all derivatives, etc. -
Philippe
On 30 Apr, 2012
And now, "La Repubblica" writes about a German-Italian Axis to become the new motor of Europe. They're not shy of symbols,aren't they ?
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