China buys gold that the IMF and others are selling... (update)

Published: April 26, 2009 - 16:30
This article received :  15 Comments

As said in previous posts, I question the intelligence of the US Federal Reserve's monetary policy. More generally, I think that theAnglo-Saxon economic and financial policy has been a complete failure. The latest 'aggressive move' includes the complete explosion of budgetary balances and the willingness to print money ad nauseam.

China has shown some unease with the US monetary and budgetary policy recently.Stefan Karlsson writeson his excellent blog that China has decided to buy more gold:

Recently, the price of gold has been under pressure because of a decision by the IMF to sell off much of its gold reserves. While I believe that most other factors support the bullish case for gold, I also recognize that the bullish scenario is threatened by decisions of the IMF and certain central banks to sell gold.

Now the price of gold increased somewhat on the news that the Chinese seem to have a different attitude towards gold th
an Western central bankers, as
they have announced that they are buying gold
. If China and other emerging economies start to buy a lot of gold, then this will cancel out much of the effect of the gold sales of other central banks, and so improve the odds of future gold price increases.

(hat tip: Koen) Naked Capitalismalso has a story on the Chinese gold buying. The message is clear. China is divesifying away from the dollar. If the Chinese are losing their faith in the US dollar as a reserve currency, this will have important consequences.

China revealed on Friday that it built up its gold reserves by three quarters since 2003, making it the world’s fifth largest holder of bullion.

The move comes as European central banks continue to sell their gold and the International Monetary Fund has discussed selling some of its bullion reserves.

“This is probably the most significant central bank announcement since the Central Bank of Russia announced at the LBMA gold conference in Johannesburg in 2005 that it wanted to hold 10 per cent of its foreign exchange reserves in gold,” said John Reade of UBS.

Ahead of this month’s G20 meeting in London, China said reliance on the dollar as the world’s reserve currency should be reduced by making greater use of special drawing rights, the synthetic currency run by the International Monetary Fund.

This led to speculation China was considering changing its policy which has seen the majority of its foreign exchange reserves channelled into the US government bond market and other dollar denominated assets.

This has raised the question of whether China plans to increase the proportion of its foreign exchange reserves that it holds in gold and how much it could buy

Naked capitalism gives a nice overview of the chain of events since the start of the crisis from a Chinese perspective:

  • T

    he U.S. sub-prime mortgage market implodes, causing Fannie and Freddie to go bust.The Chinese start dumping GSE paper. (
    27 Aug 2008 post
    )

  • Meanwhile, Tim Geithner was putting his foot in his mouth and telling everyone China was 'manipulating' its currency. Vice President Biden had to correct him, but the damage was done and the Chinese went on a rampage, savaging the U.S. at Davos (Geithner:
    28 Jan 2009 post
    ; World Economic Forum:
    29 Jan 2009 post
    )
  • Then, in March,the Chinese premier started making the same noises about Treasuriesthat he had about GSEs earlier (
    13 Mar 2009 post
    ). Was he bluffing?
    Marshall Auerback said so
    at the time. I am a bit more concerned.
  • Showing increasing signs that they were not bluffing, the Chinese startedavoiding using dollars in transactions in deals with countries like Argentina(
    31 Mar 2009 post
    )
  • Then, before the G-20 summit this past month, the Chinese start floating the idea that it wants to move to a SDR (special drawing right)-centric world,loosening the U.S. grip on being the world's reserve currency. Of course, there was the chatter about the Chinese pegging their currency to copper instead of the U.S. dollar. Obviously, they had worked this out with the Russians ahead of time. (
    1 Apr 2009 post
    )
  • After the summit, the whole lets-not-settle-trade-in-dollars meme continued asthe Chinese struck yet more deals to do so(
    9 Apr 2009 post
    )

So, here we are, three weeks out from the G-20 and now we learn the Chinese have been buying gold. In my mind, there is no doubt that China is looking to topple he U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency. And this will happen over time. The Europeans want it - they are a rival in currency terms. The Asians want it - they want to stick it to an arrogant country which caused great hardship to Asia through the IMF in the Asian Crisis. And the oil exporters like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela all want it too. It will happen. The question is when and what will happen.

Central banks in the west are selling gold and buying toxic paper from banks, and are printing more money. Central banks in Asia and China in particular are buying gold on the other hand. Now what do you think is the most sensible strategy.Who gets your vote ?

Update:
some more details appear on the Chinese gold deals
. The Chinese have 1054 Tons of gold. Official data always mentioned 600 Tn of gold.

15 Comments

  1. Silverfields 

    On 24 Apr, 2009

    Belgie 3de grootste schuldenaar in de wereld... volgens CNBC

    Toch even schrikken.

    Graag uw mening

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959?slide=1
  2. Frank 

    On 24 Apr, 2009

    My vote goes to China ... but ... :

    1. China should have been bying it starting 2001 instead of buying US Treasuy debt all these years. They've been making the wrong investment for many years. What credibility can they show us that they are making the right decision now?

    2. The global economy floats on an ocean of debt. when the debt ocean implodes the financial system is in high demand of the currency in which that debt is denominated which in this case is mostly dollars and not gold.

    3. China buying gold means that China is betting on a rise of gold prices. Betting on a rising gold prices is and remains betting; and we all know that many banks and hedge funds lost a fortune betting.

    I'm in favor of having some gold but I'm afraid that the story is not going to be all roses and no doom. Gold had many opportunities and reasons (massive quantitative easing, gigantic money printing, enormous expansion of FED's balance sheet, FED buying US Treasuries, ...) to go way above 1000$. So why did'nt it?
  3. koen2 

    On 24 Apr, 2009

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/04/guest-post-breaking-news-china-has-been.html

    So, here we are, three weeks out from the G-20 and now we learn the Chinese have been buying gold. In my mind, there is no doubt that China is looking to topple he U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency. And this will happen over time. The Europeans want it - they are a rival in currency terms. The Asians want it - they want to stick it to an arrogant country which caused great hardship to Asia through the IMF in the Asian Crisis. And the oil exporters like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela all want it too. It will happen. The question is when and what will replace the dollar.

    Another question comes to mind as well. Isn't this de-stabilizing for a world in a global recession. The economists over at Vox have a few points to provide on that score using France and the United Kingdom as 1920s parallels for China and the United States. I have highlighted some important bits.
  4. Theo 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    The Chinese got my vote back in 2007 when they told the Americans to stop blaming them for their own mistakes and to go back home and put their own house in order.
    Next the Chinese started adjusting money supply and monetary policies in line with the ensuing tsunami. The Chinese stock market got the message and so did the Chinese manufacturers.
    The most amasing story of the unfolding global crisis last year was Western Media's interpretation of the production slow down in China... it was reported as the Chinese government trying to clean the air for the Olympics!!!
    Who are we kidding, really!? Only ourselves!
    Why is china doing relatively well in this mess? Because they took a good look at the data, reached out and got the standard "the fundamentals of our economy are solid", assessed the options and acted accordingly.

    @ Frank
    China is not betting on gold. That's why your line of thought doesn't lead to the conclusion you would like it to.

    @ Koen2
    Do you really think China needs to look at France - UK in 1920's...
    They have learned from the China - UK opium wars!
    Now you are worried about China de-stabilizing??? I'm confused!!!
  5. Theo 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    Thank you for the update Geert. Now we can move this discussion on after some actual fact finding.

    From 1991 till now the Chinese economy has grown x5... to $4 trillion today (incidentally the size of the losses financial institution will have to right off!).
    International trade is supposed to shrink by 9% if we are to believe the IMF. Everyone assumed that this was going to be most detrimental to China. But they forgot that in the 3 years prior to the crisis, exports were responsible for 47% of the economic growth in the US.
  6. FV 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    @ Frank "why didn't gold fly to 1000+ ?" : google to backwardation (Antal Fekete), comex default, etc
  7. andere jan 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    This is maybe a good thing:
    china stops buying dollars => dollar drops=> economic advantage for American exporters and disadvantage for Chinese exporters => more balance in the world.
    Jan
    Ps are we no to pessimistic if we see this as something negative??
  8. Theo 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    @ Jan
    It's not a bad thing.
    But I'm not sure about the analysis...
    1) What are the Americans going to export that anyone actually wants?
    2) It's Sales time... and guess who's got the cash... and the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
  9. koen2 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    Theo: those are not my words, so, I don't know if the France-UK comparison is relevant

    but, once again, nil nove sub sole...

    Almost all the gold from the New World ended up in ... Asia. The outflow of gold to the Far East may even have exceeded the total imports from America to Europe between 1600 en 1730.

    They exchanged it for spices, tea, silk, etc.

    Why? The Chinese had bad experiences with paper money. In 1149, a historian called Ma Twan-lin warned in strikingly modern terms that "Paper should never be money (but) only employed as a representative sign of value existing in metals or produce ... The government ... wished to make a real money of paper, and thus the original contrivance was perverted."

    But there were other reasons why the Asians wanted gold. From them, it was a useful commodity and a sign of opulence and power. Also, there existed a huge gap between the rich and the poor in China, bigger than in Europe: the rich didn't mind that useful stuff was shipped from Asia to the west because they had enough of it anyway (in contrast with the poor mass).

    Nowadays, the Chinese have other reasons. The question is not why they have increased their gold reserves, but why they haven't even bought more gold. Because it goes without saying that they're very vulnerable with all their dollar assets.

    History also shows that gold flows to the centers of power like water flows to the sea. To London in the 19th century, from there and from Europe as a whole to New York during the interbellum (the US is still the largest holder of gold in the world, although the EU as a whole holds more gold). The US possessed 60 % of th world's monetary gold in 1939, versus 38% in 1929 and 23% in 1913. It was the basis of the post war USD centric bretton woods monetary system.

    And now, it will maybe flow from New York to Bejing (although we don't live in a gold standard anymore). The time may come that the US will have to sell part of its gold reserve (when/if the dollar is toast).
  10. Frank 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    @Theo

    I don't completely agree with you

    1. The IMF has been wrong for 2 years. They never saw it coming. It would be foolish to believe them now.

    2. China has grown tremendously in a short period of time. Please remind though that they are also dependant on the biggest consumer of planet earth: the US. If the US stops buying then ...

    3. Of course it is smart of China to diversify into gold, and you do make a strong point; but does that mean that the dollar is dead and gold is going into the stratosphere? There is a mountain of debt that needs to be repaid in dollars. We are in full debt deflation and I'm not quiet sure the dollar is going to die very soon. Not just yet no matter what the Chinese or others do. Remember; deflation is a very tricky thing and tends to surprise even the most intelligent investor.

    4. Of course they are betting on rising gold prices. Do you really think they would buy gold if they were convinced that gold is going down? They are getting scared about their US debt obligations and are diversifying which is probably smart. Probably.


    I still think this crisis is going to surprise us all. There are some big shocks coming up but the main game is called deflation. Gold should have shown more strength recently. It dissappointed and I'm afraid gold is still in a down movement. I could of course be totally wrong, which would'nt be the first time ...
  11. Theo 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    The Opium wars were about England hooking up the Chinese on opium from Afghanistan (sound familiar!?) in exchange for the gold they had.
    China lost some of its territories to the British Empire and closed its borders.
    OK enough with the History lesson. There is school for that.

    The USD reserves don't make China vulnerable... on the contrary.
    China should have more gold? It's a question of opinion... depending on the purpose.

    Gold standards have been in and out in the course of the last 200 years. It seems to be like fashion... eventually it always comes back.

    The point here today is the global nature of the financial and economic/trade systems. There is nothing wrong with the USD. Rather the problem appears to have been those at the controls of the systems.
    China didn't challenge the USD, it simply wished for international organisations/institutions to start reflecting the reality of the situation.
    Let's not forget it's is China which has helped the IMF rise from the ashes in which it was left by the FED and the US all these years.
  12. Frank 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    @Theo

    Interesting thoughts. Thanks!
  13. koen2 

    On 25 Apr, 2009

    excellent article about china's dollar policy

    In the year to June 2008, China’s holdings of American shares more than tripled to $100 billion. Before the financial markets collapsed last year, SAFE may have had over 15% of its portfolio in equities and corporate bonds, which is high for an official body—and has left it with huge unrealised losses.

    ...

    But embarrassing losses on riskier assets have led to a sharp shift in behaviour. Since mid 2008 SAFE has sold government-agency debt and corporate bonds. Its purchases of Treasury bonds have surged (see bottom chart) but of late they have been almost exclusively short-term bills. According to Mr Setser’s figures, over the past three months China’s American assets showed no growth for the first time in many years—despite the modest increase in reserves.

    http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13527242
  14. Scrutinizer 

    On 26 Apr, 2009

    @Theo: "1) What are the Americans going to export that anyone actually wants?"

    Desperate housewives perhaps ;-)

    "OK enough with the History lesson. There is school for that."

    School? You mean this place where they either misinform you (e.g. when they teach you Keynesianism) or where they tell only half of the story e.g. what happened in/to Flanders in 1303 (hint: the French came back to teach the peasants a lesson after their little uprise which their offspring still gloryfies 700 years later).

    "Gold standards have been in and out in the course of the last 200 years. It seems to be like fashion… eventually it always comes back."

    Euhm... lets try to look at it from a different angle: "Paper standards have been in and out in the course of the last 200 years. It seems to be like an addiction … no matter how often they fail, politicians simply cannot resist the temptation of a system in which they can create money out of thin air so eventually it always comes back."

    "There is nothing wrong with the USD. Rather the problem appears to have been those at the controls of the systems."

    Well, I'd say there's everything wrong with it since it's a paper currency and it is politicians who control it rather than the free market and economic laws. Therefore the dollar will end up like basically every other paper experiment in histery has ended up. (And it's only a matter of time before the euro goes the same way).
  15. Theo 

    On 26 Apr, 2009

    @ Scrutinizer

    Having actually invented paper money, I would think the Chinese understand its principles.
    One of the most important one being its convertibility.

    Paper money can be destroyed by hyperinflation.


    @ Geert,

    how do we know that gold came from the IMF and the central banks?
    It doesn't seem to be the consensus...

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