Banks, central banks & commodities

Published: March 23, 2012 - 09:42
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Manipulation and conspiracy theories are of all times. Last year, rumors surged that 1 particular giant broker in the US was doing all within its powers to depress the price of silver by selling silver futures. And the conspiracy became complete when rumors surged this was done at the request of the FED because precious metals were becoming too much of a competitor for paper fiat money. Another conspiracy - openly voiced by a former FED governor - was that the FED in the past had supported the stock market by buying futures and ETFs whenever a negative market correction started to live a life on its own.

The latest proposition for central banks to intervene in the markets comes from a former Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee member. And this time it's a call to control inflation expectations by controling/manipulating price expectations on commodities (especially oil). Before commenting on the sense and nonsense of this, a first practical question comes to mind : how are you gonna achieve this in practice ? Andrew Sentence - now PwC - proposes 2 options :

1) A pre-emptive policy move of the central bank by raising interest rates. This is what we call "leaning against the wind" or raising rates in time beyond a level necessary to maintain price stability, this whenever an asset bubble is detected. First sober personal observation : with this generation of central bankers in the West, this policy approach option doesn't stand much of a chance.

2) Directly intervening in the commodity markets so central banks becoming buyers and sellers in future contracts on oil, gas, soybeans, pork bellies, whatever.

Now this last option is intriguing. It also implies that the central bank should start with an inventory of commodities otherwise it would be outright selling naked contracts, or, selling commodity futures without having the underlying commodity in position when it attempts to depress prices. And to that extend this initiative is quite useless at present. Because it has been brought forward of course in order to stabilize the stagflationary forces of upward accelerating commodity prices. Buying inventory now only would make matters worse. To conclude : First central banks make an historic effort to avoid deflation and feed a healthy inflation expectation by printing and setting interest rates at virtually zero on a global scale. Then they realize they create the wrong inflation along the way. The solution would then be to set up a huge trading desk in commodities at the central bank. A central bank really becoming a grocery shop where you can trade all kinds of stuff : paper money, foreign currency, real estate, paper debt under all forms from AAA to junk, and last but not least food, orange juice, metals and energy !

Over now to financial innovation, private banks and commodities. Apparently there is a problem for banks to continue to fund loans for commodity trading houses. Or as a senior loan officer states : "our balance sheet can't move up at the pace as commodity prices increase. Nor do banks have sufficient access to the USD market to find the money". Commodity trade financing is indeed a large business with an estimated annual turnover of some 1500 bio USD. The big houses such as Glencore are not as such in trouble in finding the money to pre-finance deals, but apparently the smaller players are suffering from some kind of credit crunch.

So two major European financial players have come up with the following solution : a CCLO or a collateralized commodity loan obligation. This is briefly a loan multiplier at work : you grant a loan, you package it as if it is a bond and sell it to institutional investors : credit risk eliminated from the bank balance sheet and the process of granting new loans can start all over again with the money received from the sale to investors. And it's rock solid because in the world of commodity loans, hardly any default occurs, dixit a senior metals and oils trader at Trafigura. SocGen and BNP are envisaging to launch these covered bonds before year end. Nothing really rocket science exciting stuff but I just wonder:

1) How are rating agencies going to assess these kind of products in view of their past experience with rating covered bonds in real estate and other so-called "rock solid" stuff ?

2) Doesn't make much sense for central banks to lean against the wind or start trading in commodities if private banks on the other hand invent credit multipliers on the same underlying assets.

32 Comments

  1. Joeri 

    On 23 Mar, 2012

    I liked also the below Morgan Stanley Summary:

    The Great Monetary Easing Part 2 is in full swing – and begets inflation risks. Global monetary policy interconnectedness, the impact of central bank easing on commodity prices, and the possibility of an improved outlook for the real economy could mean a return of the Global Inflation Merry-Go-Round:

    1) Super-expansionary monetary policy in the major developed economies, particularly the US, a) contributes to commodity inflation and b) is imported by EM central banks through (US dollar) soft and hard pegs.

    2) Price pressures rise in EM due to domestic overheating and higher commodity prices. Inflation is then re-exported to DM through more expensive goods exports.

    3) More expensive imports from EM and dearer commodities raise inflation in DM. In turn, DM central banks initiate the next round by maintaining – or increasing – monetary accommodation.

    1. christof Govaerts 

      On 23 Mar, 2012

      Joeri,
      It is indeed a problem for EM and more a curse than a blessing, certainly in those EMs where indexation is widely applied
  2. Theo 

    On 23 Mar, 2012

    Is Friday 23 The New Friday 13?

    We see how fragile the markets & jumpy the "irrational" "speculators" have become - it doesn't take much for equities markets to fall out of the sky while flying by wire... and commodities take off immediately.
    Did the pods on the servers freeze and the systems failed?

    It's not just simple things such as inflation which are pushing more and more people into looking for any type of alternative to products traded by A.I. I think the story is a bit more complicated that that...

    "In God We Trust" ... Well, I don't intend to put all my money in any Artificially created or Imaginary entity's happy eggs' basket

    For the rest... market makers and breakers start looking like Constantine I and his Council of Nicea... When is The New iMarket coming out?


  3. Jfv 

    On 24 Mar, 2012

    Well as a matter of fact I have been following the precious metals markets for a while now and there have been plenty of irregularities to say the least. It is a very long story, too long to put into 1500 characters or less. A few noteworthy points off the top of my head:

    1. Agreed on fiat vs gold/silver. The more gold/silver go up the less secure/trusted fiat money looks. Remember fiat currency is fiduciary money. The definition goes as follows and I quote:

    "Money that depends for its value on confidence that it is an accepted medium of exchange. It originated as a paper certificate that was a promise to pay a certain amount of gold or silver to the bearer. From the Latin fiducia meaning confidence or trust."

    President Nixon abolished the gold standard in 1971. From that day onwards US dollars were backed by debt instruments only, yes I am aware this is an oversimplification. But it does all come down to confidence, and more to the point, confidence in the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. The more money gets freely printed (yes backed up by debt and tangible nothingness) the more people lose confidence in fiat money. Simple conclusion if gold/silver were to shoot to the high heavens the game would be over.
  4. Jfv 

    On 24 Mar, 2012

    2. When silver has fallen rapidly in daily trading in recent times the amount of contracts sold within minutes are often equal to or higher than the yearly world production. Logic dictates that a lot of these sales therefore consist of paper silver rather than physical bullion. Add to that the fact that the lion share of the yearly production is used in various industrial applications & products, and one may start to wonder what is going on. Barrick Gold & JP Morgan have been accused of selling gold certificates backed up by gold deposits that allegedly exist in the ground but have not been substantiated nor mined. More on all of this can be found on the web site of GATA. Also an interesting read:

    http://news.goldseek.com/GATA/1318362560.php

    Then another interesting fact is that most European gold is held in the USA, more specifically in the Vaults of the NY Federal Reserve Bank, a privately owned bank for all intents and purposes. Some 5,800 tons of German gold resides there ... some say that the FED and ECB have been selling some of this gold into the market to suppress prices.








  5. Jfv 

    On 24 Mar, 2012

    Last but not least in the past 4-5 years Central Banks have become net buyers of precious metals, especially gold, Does anyone ever wonder why they have started to hoard gold. If Central Banks are so sure of the dominant position of their fiat currencies then why are they buying gold at this time... or do they know something we don't ? Might they expect double digit inflation in the near future? A very wide subject indeed ... time for bed here.
  6. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 24 Mar, 2012

    2) Doesn't make much sense for central banks to lean against the wind or start trading in commodities if private banks on the other hand invent credit multipliers on the same underlying assets.

    Now I am worried.If a bus driver can become a member of the belgian central bank then I can but think and wonder.How must will it cost me this time.I am already dexianated.And why would they want to do this?They already have a frigobox inflation rate.If the want they can always replace a item that goes up too fast by something else and convince that the consumer that there is no inflation and the guilty party for the price rises in item a or b is the evil speculator.
    Perhaps we can blame China again.Why not?They are not playing the game according to our rules says Charles La Farce.But perhaps China and the rest of Asia wants to play another kind of game.A game set by their rules.So why is Europe surprised when the East gives Europe the reversed V-sign when it want a TAX on flying by saying in dutch 'jongens,deze vlieger gaat niet op'?..So what would I want if for the first time had a little money?I guess a steak and some candy for the kids.So I guess I will invest in a lap of land over there.Problem is I will have to marry a local from over there.No fair?I don't know.It is their land their rules......
    1. Theo 

      On 24 Mar, 2012

      @NuN

      As a good Belgian you might think of introducing the rules of Le Mariage (avec un) Blanc game to them
      1. Nacht Und Nebel 

        On 25 Mar, 2012

        Theo,

        A good belgian?I guess I am.I just booked my plain ticket for Bangkok abroad so I knew that I would not pay taxes here!It was only 380 euro's cheaper then the same ticket here .But then again it costed me only 589 euros.I guess I just had to fight the belgian taxationflation (not even a thank you from the belgian prime minister!Can you believe?How rude of him!).I am what Thai call a cheap charly.So I guess I would like to introduce the double dutch rule when we would play Le Mariage Blanc game over there..Some of my friends over there asked me if I would be there for the Songkran festival.I said No,but I do not mind if you get wet without me.
        1. Theo 

          On 25 Mar, 2012

          @NuN

          Booking airline tickets abroad and flying from abroad - that is just good economics.
          And then they accuse us of being irrational
          I once had to fly from Paris and take the Thalys train to the airport from Brussels. I went to the station in Antwerp and asked to buy a ticket on the Thalys Antwerp - Brussels because it is more convenient when traveling with suitcase and more reliable...
          The guy at the counter started shouting at me that I should just take the normal train like any body else. I just told him to either take my money and give me a ticket or shut up
          I miss the times when we flew the world from Antwerp Airport via Amsterdam...
          Belgian politics suck
  7. Jfv 

    On 24 Mar, 2012

    Well the difference between central banks and private banks is not all it's made out to be, i.e. many central banks are in fact set up as private companies with private shareholders. There are so many cross links between the FED, the ECB, the White House and the big investment banks that remain unexplored by the main stream media ... must we really believe they do not share any information at all? That would be very naive indeed ... It is all about profit & power in the end, the rest is completely inconsequential. Front running, high frequency trading, influence in the CFTC and CME and the LBMA. It all paints a very warped picture, but in more ways than one a very logical bigger socio-political picture. Of course if you go down this rabbit hole your world view may very well change forever.

    1. Jeroen 

      On 25 Mar, 2012

      "Of course if you go down this rabbit hole your world view may very well change forever."

      Like (or: "don't like")
      Maar, Jfv ... wie dit topic durft aanraken, zal steeds opboksen tegen de hoog opgetrokken "conspiracy-wall". Netjes in the box blijven, en dat zal de grote hoop dan ook doen. Het is uitkijken naar Pareto om te zien of op een bepaald ogenblik de 20 curciale % bereikt wordt om deze fraude onder z'n eigen gewicht te laten instorten.
  8. Jfv 

    On 25 Mar, 2012

    @ Jeroen

    My definition of a conspiracy in this case would simply be:
    "an agreement between two or more parties to act with intent to achieve a certain outcome"

    Having followed this whole global financial debacle for some years, I no longer believe in happenstance. Also please note that the information regarding the FED Bank being a private company is not a conspiracy theory, but a plain and simple fact. Only the Federal Reserve Board is federal, but they are in fact two separate entities. To my dismay I notice time and again that our leaders have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to finance. Either they are extremely naive or they are very well informed and deliberately choose to mislead their constituents. Which one is it?
  9. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 26 Mar, 2012

    Theo,

    The lord is not my sheppard for I am not a sheep.
    It is not a conspiray it is just plain stupidity.Who needs a enemy when you have a european politician as your friend?Why can't they keep their mouths shut and do what they have to do?Is GS who will do the financial system any harm today.I guess they will.Monti was only trying to save us when he talked about spain.Isn't that Europe talking about another men"s pain ?I tell you.It is those damn sheep who are killing us.Mmmmei.............
    I guess Monti's good news talk will inspire pension funds to end their buyers strike in european bunds.After all they are guarenteed by the ...Yes by who are they guarenteed?What is the risk reward of an european bond?The same as greek bunds I guess...So you can invest in currency that is going down the drain with an appealling interest rate of near zero while real inflation is going through the roof....and in the end they will guarantee you that after let say 30 years you will get 35 cents back for every euro you have invested.
    I guess that is my kind of investements....Ohhh,yes I forgot the frisco you will get if you buy a belgian bond
    As they say here L'onion fait la force..............
  10. Jfv 

    On 26 Mar, 2012

    @ Theo

    Yes and all the while they work out mathematical formulas to keep inflation at about 2% and all is well - never mind the prices of petrol and food going through the roof. It is staggering how the masses do not seem to notice or simply live in denial, long live the recovery ! They instead choose to discuss Belgian politics, Important as it may be to some I am afraid it is rather irrelevant in the macro-economic picture
    of the world.

    The only important news regarding Belgium right now is that it is the home of the SWIFT payment system. Apparently the BRICS countries are meeting this week to discuss the (ab)use of the SWIFT system as a weapon of war (against Iran). Rumour has it they may simply create their own SWIFT system thereby bypassing/avoiding any US control over their financial dealings. Jim Rickards has long talked about "currency wars" and I think he may be on the right track.

    And as a belated comment on the above graph (in article). When you keep a close eye on the precious metals market and you have a lot of cash at hand (100 million plus), then you can make easy money. 9 out of 10 days the price will take a sudden dive when NY opens. In Asian trading prices usually recover.
    1. Nacht Und Nebel 

      On 26 Mar, 2012

      Jfv,
      But we must discuss Belgian because that is what Europe is turning into.A endless money pit.Marshmallow plan after Marshmallow plan.A endless money transfer from the norh to the south without any hope of recovery.The sales and lease back plans of the ECB selling all of the family silver.There is a reason why commodities are going through the roof and the reason is the ECB and the FED.You cannot create real growth without real jobs.You need people who produces things that have a good profit margin.That is how you create wealth.How big is the profit margin on the work of a civil servant?That is the problem.Europe has been lucky two times in the past.First by falling interest rates in the 90's then by globalisation using Asians as slave workers.But guess what interest rates can't fall anymore.Asians do not want to be slaves anymore.Don't they say:Three times You're Out
    1. Theo 

      On 26 Mar, 2012

      @Jfv

      Yes I read Currency Wars too. I think it is all about a question of
      a. reserve currencies... and reserve debt
      b. currencies of commodities... and derivatives debt
      It was the same during the gold and silver currency wars. Nothing really new just the nature of the currencies has changed

      As to the commodities markets... yes they have moved to more stable jurisdictions in terms of Rule of Law and with currencies pegged to the usd.
      Nobody is so naive as to believe that Asian markets only concist of Asian market participants. Investors trust their market regulators better that is all

      The SWIFT system... I wonder what is its role in a financial system of debt versus one of cash
      It is very hard for many people to comprehend that the vast majority of people in this world do not operate via bank accounts and never will. The last 40 years have shown that as people get themselves out of poverty they do not put their money in banks
  11. Jfv 

    On 26 Mar, 2012

    @ N U N

    I have never believed in infinite production & consumption. Our global economic model is a finite model. i.e. there cannot be much increased production in real terms within already over-saturated markets. Hence the interest in so-called emerging markets, where one could argue that former "slaves" have turned into the new customers. The only hick-up in that model is that true disposable income remains low in those areas. The North to South wealth transfer is due to the enduring political denial (on all levels) of economic mismanagement coupled with the hugely detrimental effects of fraudulent and completely unregulated toxic derivative products. As long as our leaders refuse to look at the core of the problem then nothing will change. In brief:

    1. An immediate unwinding of all unregulated derivative products & new strict regulations on the use thereof (read big investment banks take a serious hit and kiss their bonuses goodbye for the next 20 years - unlikely to happen);
    2. Stop exporting jobs & production to faraway countries in the interest of maximum profits & happy shareholders. Review free trade - over 50% of it is intra-firm trading and the remainder belongs to the same multinationals. I can never be convinced that we are better off since free trade. I seem to remember a time when one income would support a family.


  12. Jfv 

    On 26 Mar, 2012

    3. When people commit crimes, charge them and put them in jail. At the very least take them to trial and let a jury decide on their fate. Stop talking about mistakes, oversights, unintentional consequences, and all other excuses for fraudulent practices. Hello Dexia & Co.
    4. Review fractional reserve banking & back up paper money with something else than debt & thin air. This in itself would put a halt to many of today's shoddy practices. To use debt as a tangible asset is just ridiculous.
  13. Jfv 

    On 26 Mar, 2012

    @ Theo

    By and large there were no currency wars when the world was still on the gold standard. It is only because a few US banks ( yes the usual suspects - in collusion with the FED one must assume) broke the rule of law by printing more money than the gold reserves allowed that Nixon did not really have a choice but to abolish the gold standard altogether. Charles de Gaulle called their bluff by insisting on exchanging France's dollars for physical gold bullion. I am sure you are well aware of this fact.

    A reserve currency is in fact nothing more than a tacit agreement on what has value. The current reserve currencies are backed up by debt (I owe you's = bonds). But does debt have real value ? In theory it does but in practice it is simply not liquid enough and it cannot be labeled a "tangible" asset. Imagine if the bank owes me a debt and pays me with a few mortgages ...



    1. Theo 

      On 26 Mar, 2012

      @Jvf

      It always a;ases me how people seem to think that Gold Standard is something which has only existed between WWII and 1971
      There have not been currency wars during gold and silver standards... and what do you call 2 world wars and so many other European wars since the first cruisade

      Also reserve currencies are about who is the dominant creditor... from WWI till 2000 that has been the US and thus the usd has been the dominant currency for trade
      The crisis in Europe is one of a financially mmature continent which has lost the ability to manage its own currency and budgets (Marshall Plan)
      Western Europe = Euro Zone is a place where in 1 generation people have lost all idea of financial management and independence and only know how to live on credit... or in debt
      Other continents do not need credit from the US the way Europe did. This is what made all models not to work as predicted for US banks. In Europe the models work very well! Just look at Dexia and Fortis and Greece and Spain and Ireland...
      1. Jfv 

        On 26 Mar, 2012

        I think I did not express myself correctly. I believe a gold standard has existed since time immemorial and in the background has never ceased to exist. Yes also you are correct many a war has been fought over gold/silver and other commodities. I was alluding to fiat currencies and the 20th century.

        Regarding Reserve Currencies: Yes the US is/was the dominant creditor but only thanks to the first atomic bomb (Use our currency or else deal with our military might) , the petrodollar (agreement with Bank of England and the Middle East Sheiks & Kings who received their titles courtesy of the British) and the fact that it was backed by gold. Before the Bretton Woods Agreement I think the Pound Sterling was the reserve currency of choice. After 1971 the dollar remained the reserve currency since the Middle East had a deal with the USA that they would only accept dollars for oil. Look what happened to Iraq when they were openly announcing they would accept Euros for oil and more recently looked at what happened to Libya when Gaddafi announced a plan to create an African currency backed by gold (well and he had very good quality crude as well & massive water reserves). But in the last 15 years or so that dominance of the US dollar has come under some scrutiny and rightfully so. loans. Handy trick since it was a hidden conquest of their natural resources.
        1. Jfv 

          On 26 Mar, 2012

          Sorry last line above belongs to next paragraph:

          The idea of sound financial management went out of the window with the creation centralized economic blocks, e.g. ECC, NAFTA etc. In order to promote infinite economic growth governments embarked upon massive credit expansion. People simply followed the example of their leaders, who were promising them the world with cheap loans. Continents like Africa and Latin America also received massive credit from the USA over the years by means of IMF credit .... Handy trick since it was a hidden conquest of their natural resources. This whole discussion could go on for hours ... in the end it is about power & the flow of money. It gets manipulated through political puppets and through the Main Stream Media. I am all up for a cup of coffee and a healthy discussion, always willing to learn.
  14. Jfv 

    On 26 Mar, 2012

    The nature of currencies has not really changed since 1971. Well needless to say they are worth less (not to say worthless) due to the enormous expansion of the monetary base worldwide. Commodities & Rule of Law Jurisdictions. I would argue that the Rule of Law on a very high level is nothing but a bunch of fancy words. When does the first bank CEO go to jail ? When will gold/silver markets reflect true value, i.e. the value of physical bullion only, not paper certificates backed up by empty promises?

    A financial system of debt vs cash: Our cash, our currency is entirely based upon debt. If you mean the creation of a cashless society then the argument becomes one of control never even imagined by George Orwell himself. Maybe we should just sit down and write a book ... Because unbeknownst to the masses we are in fact becoming the slaves N&N talks about ... but then the DEBT slaves. Back to my argument regarding people becoming entangled in largely inconsequential local politics whilst the powerful international players circumvent all the rules.
    1. Theo 

      On 26 Mar, 2012

      Rules are made by the powerful to rule the weak... and the meak.
      WWI happened under hospices of the US in order to devide European Kingdoms and Empires into Nation States... as per their plan only Nation States could form Markets (Versailles Conference)

      Local politics are only desined to keep the people of the then established Nations busy within their own closed world. As result Western Europe and the US have become the most xenophobic regions in a very short time. This allows free reign of their people according to whims of those in power
      This is a very easy process of brainwashing which can then be trigured at any time - think bende van Nijvel, VB, trade union strikes and other such across Western Europe which do nothing more but manipulate public opinion iand events n the wanted direction
      1. Jfv 

        On 26 Mar, 2012

        Completely agree with your assessment regarding local politics & keeping people stupid or let's say "rather uninformed". As far as the history of WWI and WWII go I would go even further and say it happened under the hospices of certain individuals and even companies. In fact I can prove it at least academically. We think of the US as a superpower but in fact many conflicts are deliberately caused as to ensure a certain outcome.. As outrageous as this statement may seem, evidence seems to point that way. Carroll Quigley, Noam Chomsky and others write about this. Main Stream Media is a lost cause I agree.
        1. Theo 

          On 26 Mar, 2012

          @Jfv

          I agree with you too... I know it was an oversimplification but there isn't much space to detail such stuff.
          On the other hand by now it is quite well documented so indeed it is not a question of conspiratie theories and other such BS
          Things get interesting when others start copying the same tactics and just watch how society reacts - Sharia4Whatever

          But to go back to currencies... the root of the current currency wars is the global shift in trade flows... and the resulting changes to the stocks and the flows on macro-economic level.
          Apple is the best example of those shifts and changes I think and how the entire mechanism works in our era
          1. Jfv 

            On 26 Mar, 2012

            Yes agree with current changes and their influence. I guess the question remains, how do you adjust/change a system that in fact can no longer be adapted to present day reality? Most people would still label us conspiracy theorists and still believe the FED is federal and the people at DEXIA accidentally made a few minor mistakes. Don't forget that most people are no longer taught how to think ... why would they otherwise watch reality TV? And as an aside I believe investment strategies should be looked at from a very wide macro-economic reality, and from a very ethical point of view.
  15. Nacht Und Nebel 

    On 27 Mar, 2012

    Jfv,

    A lot of what you are saying does makes sense except the part that Asia is not growing fast enough.For example Thailand.Well yes,about half of Thailand is poor.The Isaan part.Well they say that they are and some are but some aren't.They just do not pay taxes because they have some kind of tax free income.But the BKK area is growing very fast.You would be amazed if you saw it with your own eyes.I know it is only a city but then again population wise it is a big as the banana republic of belgium.
  16. FV 

    On 27 Mar, 2012

    “A central bank really becoming a grocery shop where you can trade all kinds of stuff : paper money, foreign currency, real estate, paper debt under all forms from AAA to junk, and last but not least food, orange juice, metals and energy !”
    In the mean time, while staring like rabbits in the jacklight of the impending credit implosion, which will probably be due to some nano high speed trading flash crash, would we be too rash or blatant when proposing a new name for this ‘Second Great Depression’ ?
    A more hopeful and out-of-the-box one perhaps ?
    ‘The Great Transcending’ for instance (albeit gratefully tributary to the New Economics Foundation’s ‘The Great Transition’).
    Or rather an appellation that goes even further, beyond Capitalism 2.0, crossing the Styx, back to the -1.0 level, (back to ?) “The Great Barter” ?
    Once cut out of SWIFT, one will only survive on hacking the system, its vaults and its granaries, by going bartering around, crude for gold, rare earths for farmland, fiat money (as a mere ‘commodity’ to paper walls or create papier-mâché art) for Greek ports, goods for services (“I’ll bake you a cake, you’ll come and play the tuba on my funeral”).
    It’ll become a credo like any other.
  17. Jfv 

    On 27 Mar, 2012

    @ NUN

    Well yes I agree re Asian population but if the only remaining "under-saturated" market is Asia then we still have too many products vs humans who can buy them or want to buy them. As in it is not a solution to the global economic dilemma based on never-ending growth. It was always an unrealistic model to start with or rather a finite get-rich-quick scheme for some ...

    @ FV

    Great piece of writing ... as for a name, I think we should come up with something really apt. I like "Crossing the Styx" ... What about "Judgement Day" ... the day Skynet came on-line in the Terminator movies.

    Fully agree with your comment on computer algorithms. The chance they set off a massive flash crash before humans can even intervene is becoming greater by the day. Allegedly more than 75% of trading is done by computers. That is why it is so easy for the big boys to deliberately cause a flash crash. Dump some gold/silver/shares ... and the computer algorithms will do the rest (stop/loss sales). Especially since the big boys own and run the computer systems directly connected to the Stock Exchanges (front running ...). Easy to have 100+ trading days without a loss hey Mr. Blankfein or was it Mr Dimon?

  18. Theo 

    On 27 Mar, 2012

    @ Jfv

    That is what they call The Helicopter View.
    I have developed the ISS View - from the International Space Station the view is global and its includes the entire environment. Ftom the ISS one also sees 16 sunrises and 16 sunsets.
    Same with what people call Helicopter Ben - I call it ISS Ben

    Yes the system is outdated,
    I am an Evolutionist not a Creationist. I do not think we need to create systems as much as we need to rethink the entire concept and start setting up systems which can evolve and adapt and interact with each other. In contract to the canibal we have currently ended up having to deal with.
    People who still need reasurance and think that belief makes them happy can read "Toegepaste Blijde Boodschap". I read Applied Physics and other Sciences.

    I talked to an IVF specialist today and he explained how they take 2 cells and make it into 1 and can tell you the entire physical future of this complex system as it evolves... The most interesting part of the conversation was me wanting to know how parents from different parts of the world wished to determing different characteristics of such systems... It teaches about what people in different societies in cultures value and why

    In Belgium we could also learn a lot from our IVF specialists and their research if we wished to... it is a different form of Toegepaste Blijde Boodschap

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